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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What has changed in the laws? The shepherding change was in place back in 23. I think what has changed is our coaching at Provincial level has gone off of a cliff, and key players are older or retired. I have zero doubt that the team from 22/23 would be able to beat the current Springboks team, just as it did back then.

    Our players loss of skills has been a massive detriment and something that the IRFU need to aggressively tackle. It's not acceptable for Leinster to continue to decline in the way they have under Nienbar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Croc roll was banned in mid 2024 making it harder to clear out poachers and hold onto to your own ball.

    The access for kick chasers was also brought in at the same time. We conceded a penalty from a kick off against NZ in the AI last year for one of their chasers running into Porter who had their back turned watching the catcher. Initially players were trying to buy penalties by running into ‘blockers’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Was the access rule not in place for the WC? The croc roll one has been a challenge to the high possession approach alright, take your point there. The ruck remains a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Nope, just came in last year, we started seeing it in the NH during the AI.

    You might be thinking about 50/22 which was trialled in 2021 and came in fully in July 2022. That was a great addition to the game stopping teams putting 14 in the defensive line and creating more space out wide. England in particular seemed to struggle once that was introduced. Beforehand it was very difficult to beat their rush defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭50HX


    Few reasons I suspect it will be the tried & trusted.

    Outside of Paddy Mc,Stockdale & Stuart Mc becoming regular starters it will be much the same 23

    We are 17 tests out from RWC, Ahern/Cormac Iz may get minutes in the 6n's v wales/Italy. 6n's may come a bit too soon for Gleeson.

    Outside of that I don't see much else change coming.

    Front row, half backs &their back ups picks itself.

    If Stuart Mc stays fit he stays at 12 & take your pick of the 3 usuals to partner him.

    Its a balance of win ratio for coach & generating revenue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    last night was a poor Munster Leinster game. Leinster of old would have won pulling up. The biggest issue facing Ireland is the decline of Leinsters key men. they are still better then what the other provinces have but the overall standard is average. I believe What Farrell has to do is freshen up his coaching ticket with better coaches and back what he sees as the future in some positions. He cannot afford to let it mature naturally, it will take too long.
    he needs to call it now , back himself.
    if he thinks prendergast is the future, back him. If he thinks Crowley and casey not the answer, then develop what he believes is the answer.

    I don’t think Irish fans can afford to be provincial going forward, and I admit I have posted some silly stuff here on that topic, but Ireland are at a crossroads. If the right choices are not made going forward the future could be very very bleak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    Nope, it’s the example of someone who analysing the players based on what he’s seen of them and ignoring outside noise.

    Freeman and Graham are NOT class wings, Freeman is great 5-10 yards and is mediocre other than that at this level. Graham well…he’s the definition of a headless chicken, last nights Edinburgh game summed him up to the tee, twice Edinburgh have an overall and instead of drawing his man he opts to kick and chase…team player my ass.


    You know this is true. Don’t be scared of the British media/bloggers, they don’t read this forum, you can be honest about what you think of these players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    Stoped reading after the first paragraph, “lineout and scrum look very poor”…did you even watch the games 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    The issue more than anything is the complete drop off defensively.

    Our try/point scoring rate hasn’t changed from previous seasons, it’s the numbers we concede in defence in both areas that’s alarming. Twice as many points and tries on average we are conceding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al


    there is no chance that Aki, Henshaw, Lowe and Ringrose are the best Ireland have.


    Farrell could do worse that just pick the Ulster 11-15 for the six nations


    11. Ward

    12. McCloskey

    13. Hume

    14. Baloucoune

    15. Stockdale


    Leinster 1-10 an Ulster 11-15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Fine, their skills have been stolen by a SA wizard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭letsbefair


    Maybe the Leinster players haven't suddenly turned into useless players, maybe all the injuries, constantly changing team, lions hangover, so many in the Ireland squad all add up to temporary early loss of form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Some of those players are on a decline long before The Lions Tour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    This stuff is way overblown - Ulster created nothing against Leinster a few weeks back, scored their tries from sloppy turnovers etc. Did absolutely zero from phase play throughout the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭OldRio


    It's hardly 'blindly follow'. The kicking game most of the provincial teams use is not fit for purpose. Ireland are declining at the moment due to a number of factors that have been mentioned already. Successful teams have adapted we haven't. Teams will use this gameplan against us. The least we can do is learn to defend against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    By some you basically mean just Lowe and Henshaw.

    The likes of Furlong, Conan, JGP, VDF etc are older but are still play well, not perfect but still well enough to not be considered a liability like the other two.


    It doesn’t explain the poor performances when along with those 4 you have Porter, Sheehan, Ryan, McCarthy, Baird/Deegan, Doris, Prendergast/Byrne, TOB, Ringrose/Ioane etc involved in the XV. The honest truth is it looks like a side that has barely played together and it shows, you don’t magically lose your skills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al


    Ulsters backs created 3 tries and are amongst the top try scorers in the league, with 1 less fewer games than most teams.


    leinsters backs created 0 tries tries vs Ulster and had to rely on the Leinster maul/scrum to put points on the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭big-al


    Van der flier, Ringrose, Henshaw, Lowe are all on the wane.


    James Ryan has also been disappointing this season (unless getting carded).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You’re confusing it with another game I think. Three of Leinster’s tries came through the backs, only one from a maul.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JGP spends more time looking for penalties than playing ball. Every attacking ruck nowadays he's looking for a penalty rather than trying to get fast ball.

    It might be a coaching thing, get the penalty, down the line and hopefully get a try



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    Ringrose is only 30 and Ryan is 29…they aren’t on the wane.


    VDF isn’t playing as well as he used to but he’s still a top player. The other two are the main issue along with Aki from an Irish perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    It is a coaching thing.


    JGP hasn’t been at his best but his biggest issue appears to be down to the system rather than him individually which seems to be affect most of the players


    Like I said previously, the only players stand out for being bad are Lowe and Henshaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    JGP was piss poor v Munster in Croke Park, he was ok, just ok last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    along with Aki from an Irish perspective

    Based on the November tests, Aki seems to have slipped down the pecking order significantly so probably not an issue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    That’s funny - I must have imagined the try where James Lowe plays a beautiful pass to put JJ Kenny in space and Kenny then absolutely stitches McIlroy with a step and burned in to try.

    I similarly must have imagined the Harry Byrne pass to width for James Lowe to try, or Rieko Ioane carrying Rob Baloucoune over the try line.

    The Ulster backs did absolutely nothing of note against Leinster - Leinster had 80m more of carries than Ulster and considerably more clean breaks (7 v 3).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Bart97


    The game against Munster in CP was his first game so understandable.


    I wouldn’t say I’m happy with how he’s been playing but hardly be cause for concern at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    To me that is hyperbole he was good last night , kicking very effective bar the loose one straight out, and passing as effective as ever. Against Munster at home scrapping for every second he did well. Huge work rate off the ball too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,545 ✭✭✭✭phog


    He's a brilliant passer and kicker but he's delaying the ball at rucks looking for penalties, he ran off with the ball with the ball another time after we got a penalty. It's a trait that's is coming into his game and I think it's blunting our attack



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Big-Al you should rewatch the Ulster game. They were incredibly conservative in their play and didn't use their backs anywhere near as much as they have in other games.

    They had 38% of possession yet kicked the ball 28 times to Leinster's 27. They didn't want to engage Leinster's rush defence so elected to kick to us to try and regather in the air. It's actually a good tactic in the current game and something I'm surprised that Munster didn't attempt more of last night. But the Ulster backs certainly weren't shining in last weekends game at the Aviva



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