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Farronshoneen Roundabout

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    There is one house that gets in the way of that plan unless we are talking Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) on it, or the developer of the land purchase that house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    Having read this article on WLR, I feel it only tells half the story. It correctly points out the controversy, but it lets the Council officials off the hook far too easily.

    Let’s be honest about the so-called "consultation" that Senior Engineer insists took place. What he fails to mention is how these consultations were run. They consistently scheduled these public meetings for 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

    Who can realistically attend a meeting at that time?

    • People with jobs are at work.
    • Parents are on the school run, picking up their children.
    • Students are in college or school themselves.

    Holding a meeting at 3 pm isn't a consultation; it's a box-ticking exercise designed to exclude the vast majority of working people and families. It ensures minimal public pushback can be registered in person. If they were serious about hearing from the community, they'd hold these meetings in the evening, when people have actually finished their day. , and it's completely disingenuous to then claim "consultation has taken place."

    Furthermore, the article quotes a council official as if his opinion holds the same weight as the residents and the elected Councillor. But we need to remember – nobody voted for him Nobody voted for this specific agenda of changing roads and roundabouts against the public's wishes. He's an unelected official pushing through a pet project, and when residents and their elected representatives voice major concerns, his response is simply to ignore them and carry on. It shows a complete lack of respect for the democratic process.

    This dismissal of public opinion is also obvious if you look at the Waterford City and County Council's official Facebook page. It’s a masterclass in PR spin. You’ll see carefully selected, glowing stories about the one or two people who love walking or cycling to work. But where are the voices of the opposition?

    You will never see them post an interview with the residents who had to stage a protest and walk out of a council meeting. You’ll never see them acknowledging the chaos caused by the changes at the Farronshoneen Roundabout. They create a completely one-sided narrative where everyone loves these changes, and anyone who disagrees is simply ignored and erased from the picture.

    So when the Council says the trial is "proving successful," you have to ask: successful for whom? It’s certainly not for the residents dealing with a "rat race," the community that wasn't properly consulted, or the school that has apparently withdrawn its support. This isn't public service; it's an ideology being forced on people by unelected officials who have made it clear they are not interested in listening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    it’s a looser and less planning regulation that most people are looking for these days is it not….? how often do we hear stories in the media lamenting that our current planning laws/system costs the country jobs / delays projects such as Dublin’s metro for decades….given most people’s opposition to change if the council was expected to carry out full planning for every minor thing they wish to do (even ‘trials’ such as passage rd one way ) then I doubt much bar ‘holding meeting after meeting ‘ would take place…🤔

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Meatball.Martin


    Well said 👏. A reasoned well thought out and written post which succinctly explains the nefarious way WCCC go about their business. They love posting on social media & local/national press how environmentally woke we all are down here in the sunny south east. The vast majority of common discourse these days is conducted in a faceless echo chambers online. That these Council officials are unelected & allowed to fashion pet projects is an absolute joke. Something similar is happening on the other side of the river. The Ferrybank DC is still being revamped or reconfigured after almost 2 yrs of 'roadworks'. More traffic lights. Less slip roads. And more traffic! Not many cyclists on that route for sure.

    Then again we will have the new bridge. Oh but that's not due to open till God knows when! Only in Ireland can you have a situation where a contractor builds the bridge but the developer of the North Quays will have to construct the 10 metre link to the structures either side of this gap. The bridge, the plaza on the city side will be finished by Xmas but nobody can use it till Harcourt finish their 'link'! Due to start in New Yr but we'll be lucky to be able to walk over the river by the end of next Summer…. Farcical!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    Wouldn't be like the 'media' to be influenced by the deep pocketed lobbyists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    Traffic flowing great in Waterford...active travel going very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    They say a picture paints a thousand words. If that’s true, then the video currently circulating on Facebook by Damien Tiernan regarding the traffic in our town paints a picture of mismanagement, and policy failure.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EnRMmwR5e/

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EnRMmwR5e/

    If you haven't watched the clip yet, you don't really need to; if you live here, you’ve likely lived it. a "traffic system" that seems explicitly designed to stop traffic rather than move it.

    The footage captures the grim reality of the congestion on the Quays, but let's be clear: this isn't an accident. This isn’t the result of a freak breakdown or an unexpected influx of visitors. This gridlock is the direct, predictable result of decisions forced onto this town by our local council.

    The primary culprit is visible to anyone with eyes, though apparently invisible to our town planners: the absurdity of the traffic light sequencing.

    As the video highlights, we are currently being strangled by a chokepoint of three sets of traffic lights in incredibly close proximity. You have the lights at the Credit Union, the lights at Waterford Crystal, and the lights at the Tower Hotel.

    Any traffic engineer worth their salt should understand the concept of flow. Yet, what we have here is a stuttering mess. The inclusion of the second set of lights at Waterford Crystal is the most baffling decision of all. Situated practically on top of the Credit Union junction, it serves no logical function for safety or flow. It is redundant.

    Actually, calling it "redundant" might be too kind. It feels less like an oversight and more like a deliberate tactic. It seems the only purpose those lights serve is to intentionally slow down traffic, creating a stop-start nightmare that backs up vehicles for hundreds of meters. It creates a wall of steel where there used to be movement.

    But the council didn’t stop at the lights. To ensure the chaos was absolute, they overhauled the Quay, reducing it to a one-lane system. When you combine a single lane—leaving drivers with zero escape routes or overtaking options—with a triad of poorly synchronized traffic lights, you don't get traffic calming. You get traffic paralysis.

    The video is visual proof that these changes have failed. We were likely told these changes were for "better flow," "pedestrian safety," or "green initiatives." Instead, we have cars idling for longer periods, pumping out more exhaust fumes, while drivers lose precious time out of their days.

    It is rare that you can point to a civic problem and trace it back so clearly to specific bureaucratic decisions. The council took a functioning artery of our town and applied a tourniquet.

    The lights at Waterford Crystal need to go, or at the very least, be synchronized intelligently with the Credit Union. The one-lane constriction on the Quay needs to be re-examined immediately. We cannot continue to let ideology trump practicality.

    The video paints the picture, councilors. The question is, are you finally going to open your eyes and look at it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    They could just turn the Waterford Crystal lights into a pedestrian crossing and it would be vastly better imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    The second video posted by Damien Tiernan regarding traffic gridlock in town, shows a visual of what it is like for an Ambulance to held up in traffic gridlock, all as a direct result by the councils decision to Impose a one way traffic system .

    https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1D1XeTsC6D/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    I drove the Quay yesterday and was stuck in that traffic, the issue from my perspective seemed to be how long the green lights were on at the bridge hotel.

    It seemed shorter than usual with only a handful full of cars getting through on each green light which resulted in what you see in DT's post.

    One bridge at the far end of town has always been the problem and will always be the problem.

    I feel like there has been an increase of traffic from Bilberry, Summer hill so perhaps the reduced green light time was an idea to alleviate the traffic there.

    It hasn't worked as it's just moved the problem elsewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    No one is willing to listen however the will to implement Active Travel is there. Wait till the Ashe Road to Folly active travel plan is implemented. It will be the straw that breaks the camels back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    What I am going to say I hope I will be wrong on this in the future.

    With all these various changes, I think the groundwork is being slowly prepared to bring in Congestion charges at a later time n date long term down the road.

    Problem, reaction, solution.

    Problem / The problems have all being caused by unelected council officials with various changes made to traffic systems around locally with no widespread approval nor proper consultation .

    Reaction / Lot of people are unhappy with traffic gridlocks caused by the changes made to traffic systems locally.

    Likely proposed solution / Congestion charges announced by the council to discourage people from driving when more active travel is Implemented.

    As I said I hope I will be wrong on this, but as someone who thinks long term, one can guess where we might be headed long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,118 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Another big problem there is when the tourist buses are all in and you get a line of them all pulling out at the same time. If you are stuck on the credit union / Deeveys side of the traffic lights you can be stuck there for the best part of 30 mins. Add in a lorry in at the lights and you're f*cked with the traffic tail back from the quays, traffic coming down Colbeck street and catherine street. They all pull into the yellow box so traffic gets blocked coming up Parnell street.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    The whole notion of a sustainable transport was a load of b******s. They could have easily put in a place, single car lanes with nice wide footpaths/cycle lanes and given Waterford city a proper second river crossing, like the Samuel Beckett bridge in Dublin.

    One bridge is always going to cripple the city centre. The only real solution now which will never go ahead is the Quay and O Connell St needs a one way flow like the manor, that would allow traffic to constantly flow at the junction of the bridge with the exception when pedestrian lights are on.

    I don't think O'Connell street could handle the volume of buses/lorries, we can add extra lanes to the Quay, remove all the traffic/pedestrian lights but with everyone making their way to the one junction at the bridge traffic issues will always persist.

    I cycle the Quay a lot as it's quicker for me to get to work on the bike than in the car, and the volume of traffic from all four sides of the junction at the bridge hotel is extremely high, it's difficult to see a solution other than an additional river crossing which prevents people having to travel the length of the Quay to get in or out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Meatball.Martin


    No doubt about it the WCCC's changes have caused the current traffic gridlock in the city centre. Every change they have made has led to this impasse. All the above points are spot on in everyway. If you drive/commute each day you can see where the bottlenecks, pinch points & mistakes in the current layout. If sit in an office and design these routes, road closures etc then you probably dont see what the everyday road user does.The WCCC have created gridlock where once traffic flowed. Now the gridlock persists for hours.

    The main thoroughfare & through route is clogged. The current traffic light system does not allow for any flow. I'll use the example of what I endure each day. I work out the Dunmore Road. I live in Ferrybank. Approx distance door to door is circa 2.5km. Now the average commute time each way is edging close to the hour mark esp @ peak times. Coming down the Newtown Road in the evening the tailback usually begins near Newtown School. If you go down Water St/South Parade/Catherine St the tailback can sometimes be back to the little bridge by the Park.

    Traffic lights @ Lombard St/Tower Hotel can change green to red multiple times before a car get thru. Out of frustration Ive seen many cars run red lights & block the yellow boxes in Lombard St & on The Mall. One Wednesday evening a few wks back it took me 40mins to get from the outside the Theatre Royal to just outside the GPO. The traffic lights situated @ Colbeck St/Credit Union are just as bad. Minimal movement of cars. The decision by the WCCC to close Bank Lane & close the cross over section with bollards by Regs Tower just adds to the amount of vehicles on the main routes.

    Im not sure if the roads down by Poleberry are any better TBH. For a change I decided to try that route over to Ferrybank; i.e. across Poleberry, up Barrack St and across towards Military Rd. Surprise surprise… the traffic was backed up Johns Hill. Cars were stopped indicating to turn left get onto link road from just outside Delanys Pharmacy in Johnstown! By closing all the little roads some might call rat-runs you only add to the traffic on the main roads with are currently unfit to hold the volumes currently. I think the decision to close the through route thru Applemarket straight up to Barrack Street was misguided. The traffic lights by the Singer Sewing shop serve absolutely no purpose what so ever. Also making Alexander St one way up the hill rather than leaving it one way down was an error too.

    Another poster also highlighted the main cause of the tailbacks on The Quay going towards The Bridge. The traffic lights! Especially the one at The Bridge Hotel. The green light only stays green for 30 seconds. Trust me Ive timed it. Meanwhile the green light for cars coming down or going up Bridge Street stays green for over 1 minute. Take into account the Green light for cyclists/pedestrians coming on in between regardless of whether anybody is there adds another minute to the delay on The Quay side. SO when the green turns to red and you are stopped outside The Bridge Hotel hoping to go across the bridge towards Ferrybank etc you will have to wait approx 2mins30s before a car has a chance to move again!

    The pedestrian lights at The Clock Tower & the Bus Station also adds to the delays on The Quay. Surely there is a case for at least one of these to made a pedestrian crossing? Another poster also highlighted the lights @ House of Waterford Crystal - this needs to be a pedestrian crossing as its so close to the 2 sets of lights on either side of it. If someone pushes the button to cross it goes green immediately.

    There is a growing frustration on the daily commute as the tailbacks continue to grow month on month. Its hard to accept some of the changes the WCCC have just imposed on us without any real consultation. Unelected jobsworths have closed streets, narrowed roads, inserted traffic lights & changed the flow of roads under the banner of "active travel". Listen I sit in the gridlock everyday and at most you would see 4/5 bikes cycle down the Quay in the evening. A similar amount in the morning. Simple fact is these days most households have multiple cars. There are more cars on the city centre roads now not less!

    Is there any point in communicating with the WCCC? Doubt very much as they live in their own little bubbles & ivory towers! More interested in box ticking exercises. Anybody see the electric car & bikes up in Ballybricken for the GP to use? I'd love to know if any have been used since they have come on stream. Finally Ive never seen a member of the Gardai on streets directing the flow of traffic like they used to do once upon a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I drove around Lake Garda, which is 160km, five years ago in a hired car and I dont think we met a single set of traffic lights despite there being small towns everywhere. Pedestrian crossings were everywhere. Pedestrian traffic lights did not exist. Could we not remove all our pedestrian lights, The Mall, The Quays etc and replace with marked pedestrain crossings?

    Interestingly I see we have a European style pedestrian crossing with the square blue sign crossed by a black figure, in Barrack Street.

    I still believe there are too many cars simply transiting the city via the Quays. Expansion in car numbers is palpable though around the city. Farronshoneen Roundabout could be made two lane from John's Hill by the removal of a small two foot wide piece of grass tomorrow, without any real problem.

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    A 2.5km commute and you waste an hour driving rather than cycle?

    You could do that commute in around 12min on a bike (excluding red lights)

    One of the biggest problems in Waterford is:
    - People's obsession with going through the city centre/quays when their destination isn't in the city centre
    - Driving short distances that they could walk, cycle or bus easily.

    Rather then realise that THEY are the cause of the problem the people causing the problem want other transport means (cycling, bus lanes, safe pedestrian crossings) taken away or limited. This is a really worrying mindset.

    Its outright scary that those causing the traffic problems don't realise that the more people walking, cycling and getting buses the better it is for everyone.

    The harsh reality is everyone cannot drive everywhere, things have to change and no amount of building another bridge is going to solve the issue of people's habits that are killing the city. There's already a bridge and people clearly don't value their time enough to use it.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Maybe, zebra crossings will work in low speed areas…30-50km, but they are best suited to 30km.
    They wouldn't really work in other areas with higher speeds or without suitable traffic calming messures so many parts of the cork road (as suggested above) would be unsuitable.

    Worrying though, many people in Ireland are clueless that this sign means the crossing is a zebra crossing.
    Belisha beacons are not required anymore, which is great. Its a massive cost saving as installing mains powered Belisha beacons cost about 40k



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    One of the biggest problems in Waterford is:

    - People's obsession with going through the city centre/quays when their destination isn't in the city centre

    Looking forward to the teleportation service coming soon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    The population of Ferrybank is just shy of 6k. Add in kilmacow, mooncoin, Slieverue and other townlands in the area.

    Let's say 500 cars at peak time need to cross rice bridge. We can remove all pedestrian lights, add four lanes to the Quay and it would be still backed up with that volume of cars, and it's probably a lot more than that.

    I'd nearly put my house on it we would still have the same issue with the above changes. The only solution is an alternative route, be it the by pass or a new vehicle crossing bridge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Meatball.Martin


    Are you WCCC active travel tzar Gabriel Hynes is disguise???

    I drive coz the roads are lethal to cycle on. I've had many near misses cycling that route at peak times. Ever try cycling home in the dark at peak time in the pissing rain? FYI take a drive (cycle if you dare) over the Ferrybank DC some evening. Half the street lights are out.

    Motorists aren't the problem it's the WCCCs active travel BS that have made the town gridlocked.

    PS: We are not the Netherlands or Denmark. We don't have the infrastructure buddy. Our roads were made for driving cars. And that's the way the majority of commuters want it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    Hold up, you used to cycle but it's too dangerous, so it sounds like you would happily cycle with it being a short distance but in the next breadth you complain about active travel where it actually becomes safe to cycle?

    I drive and cycle, I cycle Dunmore Road and Quay for work. A lot of the route at peak is a pain due to the lack of cycling infrastructure. I generally hop off the bike at the cove and walk as far as UHW as it's not cycle able at peak times.

    So I get the argument about safety. Now if the council worked some magic there and incorporated a cycle lane, I could cycle that section safely but it would be to the inconvenience of motorists, so do you add that safe cycling infrastructure or keep things as they are?

    As for our roads being made for cars, they were actually made for horses and carts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    And a very interesting fact that seems to be missing from the argument

    "There were 392,000 private cars in Ireland in 1980. By 2000, there were 1,486,632 private cars in Ireland."

    How many cars are we at now almost 26 years later? Waterford is a viking/medieval city, narrow streets with one river crossing in the city centre.

    There lies the issue, car usage has exploded over that period, as I said adding an extra lane on the Quay and removing lights won't solve the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    I cycled that specific stretch yesterday at peak time and it was fine to cycle unless you want a golden highway at the cost of every other road user.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,133 ✭✭✭914


    It's not fine.

    Mornings, cars are all parked in the cycle lane from the top of de la salle, all the way to the park.

    Traffic is backed up as far if the three ships, there is no cycle lane on lombard St which generally results in having to walk on the path, I'm not one for cycling on footpaths where pedestrians walk.

    In the evenings, I spend a lot of time up and down on the path all the way up newtown as cars often drift into the cycle lane due to the lack of width.

    The same by Grenville.

    It's also not possible to cycle from world wide wiens to past UHW, the rest is fine and manageable but it definitely has it fair share of problems.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Ok I get it, you don't want to cycle because you are afraid of some rain. 😂

    I cycle every day of the year, I have two amazing inventions that enable me to get to my destination dry….Rain paints and a rain jacket. They are a crazy high tech solution that work great.

    But do you know what? Its extremely rare I have to wear both. Most of the time the ground is just wet from rain overnight.

    But seriously your argument is flawed.
    You moan about how its unsafe to cycle and thats your excuse to not cycle (that and some rain), but you also claim no safe infrusture should be built. 🙄

    So you've created a situation where you want nothing to change other then traffic getting worse and you want people to have no alternative options….hell, you don't even want safe crossing points for pedestrians (thats what lots of the active travel stuff has built out). Its evident you've not thought any of your argument through.

    Four lanes on the quays won't change the reality as only so much throughput can go out by the Park/Newtown towards Dunmore Road. Which means as more people drive (because of 4 lanes on the quays creates induced demand) the traffic on the Dunmore road will just continue to get even worse.

    Meanwhile you'll moan about how bad things are, you don't want things to change and you won't take any alternative faster methods to work. 🤣

    As I've said cars don't make a city, people do. Cars going through the quays actually kill the city in the longer term, they make life worse and unless your destination is in the city centre you have no place driving through it.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,656 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    I'd actually agree with 914, that section is not a very pleasant section.

    Would I personally walk it? Nope, I tend to take the lane as I'm entitled to do as a road user.
    But I also recognise that not everyone will feel they can do this and thats ok too, it shouldn't be that way but thats the reality.

    If you don't take the lane motorists will squeeze you off the road due to their obsession of getting infront for 0.5 nanoseconds 😂 or they'll just hug the footpath which leaves feck all space for a cyclist to pass. This inconsiderate or aggressive hehaviour puts people off cycling.

    Lombard street has the same issues, I tend to go around it because of it. Its just faster and more pleasant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Meatball.Martin


    On yer bike then sonny. Keep cycling in your little sustainable utopian paradise 😏. I'll keep driving in my warm comfy car thanks. Mmmm cosy, cosy. You might want to dress head to toe in waterproofed gortex but some of us like to maintain some kind of standard of style. Life is there to be enjoyed not endured. By all means keep pedaling the bone shaker. No doubt you will save the planet by your selfless actions. Well done. We are all so proud of you!!😂😂🤣 But yer not gonna change the commuting habits of the overwhelming majority of ppl who drive into work/town/school and back home again.

    BTW its only a matter of time before the WCCC capitulate and undo the mess they have created. I and my fellow motorists look forward to the day when the Quay is returned to its rightful 4 lane highway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭Bards


    I bet he never tried to cycle uphill from Johnstown to farran park with his contraption ..he does realise that Waterford is very hilly



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