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Navan Rail Line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭thosewhoknow


    In a perfect world that route would probably work best, but new alignments are an easy way to make costs spiral and delay the project further. Considering it already isn't due to open for another 11 years, I think the simplest option would be best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    That looks like the ideal alignment tbh, maybe a bit of flex around where the stations are but that could be sorted out with an actual feasibility study. A route like this needs to be considered in the studies for the line, if the future sustainable development of the area is a factor in CBA this should come out ahead by a country mile, an events station for fairyhouse is potential icing on the cake.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I think Ashbourne and Ratoath need a different, more direct alignment. Bringing the Navan line from where it is now back east to serve Ashbourne just makes the whole route stupidly long, and the average line speed is already not great on this corridor (I hope that the DART+ works will do something to improve this).

    My preferred option would have been something like @OisinCooke's, but I do think that this ship has sailed: too much has been put in place for the western path. Also, any stop at Dunshaughlin needs to be located close to the M3 in order to act as a P+R for traffic further up the M3, so running the line east of Dunshaughlin isn’t going to be good for meeting car traffic reduction goals - the current P+R is awfully positioned for M3 users, as it makes them pay a toll just to get to and from the railway station, and I think that’s a lot of the reason for its poor ridership.

    In a purely speculative vein, the proposed alignment might also allow for a future spur to Trim (population 9,500) if enough of this 8km branch alignment is still owned by CIÉ:

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    Looking at the aerial maps, though, I think most of that alignment is now long gone (a part of it just east of the Boyne is now an access road for a group of houses), but Trim is still a good candidate for rail-led development in future, as it has a good core, with scope to grow, but it is currently unattractive for car commuting as it’s not near a motorway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭eoin91


    In comparison to roads, why is a new alignment seen as so difficult with rail ? Some posts have mentioned the additional land work required, the splitting of farms in half and new bridges/viaducts required. But these are things we have done across the country continuously for the past 30 years for motorways and bypass's.

    Is it that rail alignments are much more expensive due to the stricter slope requirements or something else ? Would this not be offset by the significantly reduced width required by a dual track alignment compared to a 4-6 lane road ?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,725 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    One interesting option for Ashbourne would be a spur off Metrolink north of Swords. It would allow the area between Ashbourne and Swords to be developed and would connect Ashbourne to Swords, the Airprot and onto the city center.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,077 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,480 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    We went nuts because we had a 3rd world road network...I remember the days of it taking 6 hours to get from Dublin to Galway. It was shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I know.

    Most were absolutely necessary but maybe we went too far.

    Does Ashbourne really need its own motorway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,480 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    We do future proofing extremely poorly in this country so I would say yes...all the main national roads leading into Dublin should be motorway standard...but I accept that it is under capacity and probably will be for some time.

    I always thought Kilbride as a location was ripe for serious development....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I guess it's no harm and they're fairly short anyway but there must be huge differences in traffic on M1 v M2 or M3.



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