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Holly Cairns - 'Sinn Fein policies aren't left wing'

  • 08-11-2025 05:35PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭


    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/11/08/sinn-fein-promoting-policies-that-are-not-left-wing-says-soc-dems-leader/

    Interesting piece - Holly Cairns Interview with Ellen Coyne in the Irish Times.

    I had thought that the 'alignment of the left' that would come out of Connolly's campaign and subsequent victory would have started on a more conciliatory tone. Even although I come from the left of the potential parties of consensus I recognise that there are differences and policy stances that distinguish them as well as positions that can unite them. If I was in the leadership of any of those parties I would suggest that we privately meet to discuss policies that we can agree with in order to start to present a policy platform in the quiet time before the next elections are upon us. This just doesn't look like that and I'm disappointed.

    I also don't view Sinn Fein as a party of the left. It is a republican party whose primary focus is a United Ireland - I have no quibble with that. I am happy to support a party that seeks to achieve that. But I will support members who also wish that to be a socialist republic. SF contains a large number of representatives and members who believe that as well - but I'm not convinced that it is a majority - although I believe that many of the members and supporters would be happy to back many socialist policies.

    SF, Labour and the Social Democrats can all claim a bloodline back to (James) Connolly's vision of an independent socialist republic co-operating with other nations in the Socialist International. That bloodline is compromised in all cases - note the number of splits and re-unions that have left us with the three parties that we have. PBP, Solidarity etc have some tenuous links to that bloodline in terms of members and supporters and are more closely aligned in economic policy terms.

    It was interesting that Cairns also chose the environment as another target to criticise Sinn Fein. The Greens seem largely reconciled to operating at local rather than Government level (and you can see the contrast between their local and general election results confirming that their local actions are more successful) and maybe Cairns sees a space there to attract/supplant their leaders/supporters

    Taxation is possibly an issue around which the parties could unite although it will require some compromises on all sides. There is a movement now towards taxing wealth rather than income. Cairns has mentioned water charges and if you really want to put a lightning rod on the top of your head I'd say this would be the one. It may reflect a rural view that they have always paid for their water but it's a dangerous one outside that focus.

    The political engagement of the young is continually being mentioned and I'd like to see a breakdown of that engagement from the Same Sex Marriage referendum, through the Local, Dail, European and Presidential elction. Certainly through all of these campaigns I have seen an increased level of support and engagement, and more recently co-operation among those campaigning for parties on the left. If this can be maintained then I would be hopeful of that level of co-operation rising into the leadership. The right have been very anxious to drive divisions into the left by pretending to be supporters of one or other of the parties and suggesting that the others are not 'true' to the principles of the left. And that is what worries me about Cairns stance in that interview - it's a little gap that someone can force a lever into.

    Anyway I hope this starts a rational and considered debate on here (remark to self - 'It's Boards, don't get your hopes up')!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Tiger20


    Call me a skeptic, but after watching her on the LLS, she is the first genuine honest and inspirational politicians that gave me hope and a vision of a better future. She answered the questions asked and didn’t offer populist utopian solutions, and stated clearly and simply that we have a choice. I would never have considered SF and the left before, not because I had faith in FF and FG, in fact I think they are the problem don’t offer any solutions, but I now will be voting SD and transferring to the whoever has the best chance on the left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,879 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Good opening post OP- while I don’t subscribe to your politics in the main, I respect your views and how you’ve laid them out.

    In terms of the Social Democrats I’m thinking they don’t know what they want to be- they’re left of centre but not too left. My view is that they’re actually a threat to SF growing its voter base- a LOT of voters seen favouring Labour or indeed FF are heading their way- I could see them winning a lot more seats at next election if their strategy is clear and have a sound approach in terms of the seats to go for.

    I’m not convinced there’s a “left wave” that will translate into a left majority govt next election - as a voter I’d much prefer to see the SD’s align as left of centre and as the clear and only partner for either FF or FG next election - that would provide balance in govt and would keep nervous foreign investors , which we need, somewhat reassured. I would like to see a more caring society with the supports necessary for people - but I don’t want to see the destruction of our economy whilst trying to achieve that , and jobs and inward investment- something I believe SF will do with aplomb- I also don’t like their politics or their representatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,381 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The SDs wouldn't be my favourite left wing party, I've found the Greens and Labour tends to align more closely to me personal views

    However I would generally call them a second favourite

    I agree with the view that Sinn Fein are primarily a party of Republicanism and has members from both the left and right of the political spectrum

    Their main line of attack against FF/FG is to present an alternative, and since those parties are both very neoliberal in economic policy then SF will take a more left wing stance

    In this way they're quite similar to the SNP in Scotland which had members with deeply opposing views who were united on the issue of Scottish independence

    It'll be interesting to see what the future holds since the SNP was somewhat undone by losing a charismatic and well liked leader (Nicola Sturgeon). SF is also generally united behind Mary Lou but if she stepped down or gets forced out then will be party begin to fracture

    One last thing to say on the OPs "alignment of the left" it'll never happen unless between the various left wing parties they can form a coalition government. By its very nature the left is the more progressive viewpoint which leads to more fractured political groups.

    People agree they want change but can't agree and exactly what they want to change, so we end up with the Greens, Labour, SDs and the left leaning elements of SF who are distinct parties but share very similar views

    In contrast the right is the viewpoint of less change or no change, which is an easier idea to articulate and get consensus on, so we have 2 very large parties which are basically the same on that side of the aisle

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Holly is a national treasure, and she is completely correct.

    Ireland needs a true socialist alternative, not some party that prefers to keep a leg on either side of the fence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Lol the great left alliance didn't last long.

    Holly seems to forget that if this left government they all want is to happen they need to keep Mary Lou and the shinners on board.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    How could it be left wing when some SF are very right wing when it comes to immigration etc.

    The Alliance of Holly's party with SF will not last long when the SF social media pack cop on to Holly's accent from West Cork, and turn on her and tar her like they did with Heather H. during the election.

    Best hope for Holly is to make her party more centrist. Most Irish people throughout the world, who are in places like America, Canada, Australia, U.K., are quite centrist if not center right. And people are fed up of FG and FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    There is no way in hell the SDs will ever become centrist.

    But their coalition options in any future government are limited, its either with FFG or the shinners, Labour and PBP.

    I didn't include the Greens because it remains to be seen after the next GE if they are well and truly dead and buried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Are SF obliged to promote policies that are left wing?

    Does a political party have to automatically stick to a certain code when it comes to policy and not use common sense

    I think being a slave to an ideology (left or right wing) is quite idiotic so she's actually complimenting SF by saying some of their policies aren't left wing, why would all their policies be left wing if they are interested in forming a government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    I'm old enough to remember 'the 70s will be socialist' (Labour slogan of the day) so allow me a degree of cynicism when it comes to Holly Cairns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,348 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I see a lot of people, even those who would vote FFG have been warming to the Social Democrats. Indeed, FFG transfers helped get a few of their candidates over the line in the last election.

    https://socialdemocrats.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Social-Democrats-Alternative-Budget-2024.pdf

    What do you make of their alternative budget for 2024?

    They are calling for some drastic increases in public spending, funded by some aggressive tax hikes.

    • A new top level of income tax of 43%
    • Much higher employer PRSI tax
    • A wealth tax on anyone with over a million Euro
    • Increased capital gains/acquisitions tax
    • Bank levies
    • etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Socialism has been tried in other countries and it does not work. Wealth taxes just drive the wealthy and their money and skills to other countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,333 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    We are budget surplus.

    We don’t need increases.

    We need to spend better. Reduce the cost of provision of public services.


    Any party looking for increases is crazy IMO.


    I recall some interview with Holly. I tried to find it since. But she passed some comment on farming that raised my eyebrows. Might have been about reducing the “national herd”. She would not be a farmers friend anyway IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,879 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “There is no way in hell the SDs will ever become centrist.

    But their coalition options in any future government are limited, its either with FFG or the shinners, Labour and PBP.”

    I personally believe that they all ready are- left of centre certainly but much closer to centre than far left nevertheless- The profile of people joining that party as members are not in any way typical far left- they’re disillusioned former FF/Labour voters -middle-ish class voters with a social conscience - teachers, psychologists even legal people are all joining- that’s just my own personal experience of who I know who have joined the party.

    As much as Holly Cairns said she couldn’t go into partnership with FFG at the start of this Dail due to certain non negotiable issues, will there be other issues with SF that will make her uncomfortable at the next election?

    Getting a broad consensus for government across the “left” is going to be a mammoth task - and what’s to say, when the time comes, SF don’t ditch the left alliance and get into bed with FFG because they have the numbers to do it that way as opposed to having a “propped up” coalition with a myriad of political differences landmines that could explode at any stage.

    They are hungry for government - the colours of their government partner won’t matter if that’s the only viable option.

    It’s a distinct possibility and the rest of the left parties need to recognise that - Mary Lou and SF are not their “friends”.

    Labour and the Social Democrats probably need to push a vote transfer agreement at the next election and carefully choose the constituencies they have candidates so that they maximise numbers for both parties - a Labour SD and either FF/G coalition might then be an option also. In other words, I wouldn’t recommend the SD’s place all their eggs in a left coalition basket- they may regret it.

    A left alliance right now will only benefit Mary Lou and SF- left parties need to spend the next few years defining themselves and their policies and standing out from the crowd - otherwise they’re just another flavour of SF .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The SD are just another iteration of the Greens and Lab, they'll get a term in government at some point, people will realize how lightweight and idiotically dogmatic they are and then they'll become just another small Left party. There is no United left alliance, most of them dislike each other, sure SD are basically just a group of people who fell out with Lab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    One thing for sure, Holly is very well spoken for someone from West West Cork. A credit to her school in Schull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I see the SDs propose a wealth tax on assets of over €1m. Including the family home?? Interesting that the Left in France (above all places) want a wealth tax on fortunes of over €100m. Tells you a lot about the economic illiteracy of the Irish left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think Cairns is an excellent politician and I hope the SDs keep growing. She was a loss while out on maternity leave. Is it fair to say that the most competent and articulate TDs in the Dail are all in Opposition? Cairns, Bacik, Toibin, Fitzmaurice, Mary Lou, Connolly. I mean we have seen the best FFG have offered up in the last decade but they don't seem to be able to accomplish anything of note. They just talk and produce reports and spin. For example FFG spent 5 years creating the Planning Bill 2024 and already there is more clamour for planning reform especially around judicial reviews. The Planning Bill fixed nothing. The mind boggles.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Holly sounds more Sandymount than Schull.

    That doesn't happen naturally. It takes a conscious effort not to speak with the same accent as your friends and neighbours growing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Expect that policy to be quietly shelved if SD ever get into power. SD/Labour are the voice of the comfortable middle class, living mortgage free in nice neighbourhoods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Wealth tax in France applies to assets over 1.3m

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    The three ‘left wing’ women leading the Soc Dems, Sinn Fein and Labour are all very posh sounding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The government already have plans to reduce the herd for environmental reasons. As per usual they are afraid to push ahead with those plans. The safest thing for any FFG government to do is nothing at all. They have made it a fine art and have hired spin merchants to make it look like they are doing stuff when they are doing nothing.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,025 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Throughout the presidential campaign we had posters saying Connolly didn't have the "looks" to be a president and as such had no chance. Now you think the female Opposition leaders don't sound right. I'd recommend meeting more women on a regular basis.

    We never see this rhetoric in relation to male politician's accents/looks.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    More than that I think, but well done her anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,337 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The one thing that's interesting about left here is that most went private schools and come from well to do backgrounds. Unlike the left parties I follow in Europe.

    The left have been complete failure in this country when you break it down. The fact the young are not voting for them is telling. They should have walked last election if not the one before. Only 1 in 4 people wanted Catherine Connolly as President in a 2 horse race.

    They might finally do it by luck as things are going get worse and people will be fed up with big two.

    I think they should be given a chance though. If it goes tots up they never see a government again.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,127 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The Right look for converts, the Left look for traitors.

    There is zero chance of a Left wing alliance holding particularly with the liquorice allsorts of nut jobs that make up the Irish Left..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Where did I say they didn’t sound ‘right’? I merely said that they all sound posh, which they do. It’s curious that you’re so touchy about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Palmach


    Rubbish. The Healy Raes regularly get it. As do Martin and Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Palmach


    Of course Holly ticks all the boxes for the RTE canteen culture hence the gushing soft soap interview on the LLS. She is a vacuous know nothing who spends her Dáíl time reading from A4 sheet of paper. She's not a patch on Bacik or MLM.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭aero2k


    And that slogan soon morphed into " the socialists will be 70" 😀!



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