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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Hasn't it just!

    We win our 3rd on the bounce, few hours later Liverpool lose to Brentford. A day later City get beat again.

    And then just as the buzz starts to fade, Liverpool get thumped 3-0 at Anfield in the Carabao.

    Lovely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,301 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    You wouldn't need mid-week games if the weeks were like these last couple of weeks.

    Slot crying that he has no squad depth after last night's match. You would imagine that spending over half a billion, in the greatest summer window ever, would have resulted in him having some bit of a squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭GolfPar


    Licha back in full training



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    It's nuts. Current champions of England who have spent 500m in the summer are surprised that in October they need to compete on multiple fronts.

    Throwing the league cup which means you have lost 6 front 7 is nuts.

    There's no way a manager who has a team struggling for form should be sending out kids to get battered by PL opposition.

    I'm really starting to think a lot of last season was Slot just not upsetting the apple kart.

    Now he has had to make his own decisions they are becoming more and more questionable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    I'd be absolutely delighted to see him back on the pitch. I really hope he is able to get back to his best.

    He'd be perfect for that role



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    No squad depth after spunking the guts of half a billion euro over the summer, making 10 changes to your last team, leaving most of the first team out of the squad, and then claiming he has 'no regrets' over the debacle last night?…………if this was Utd, the press would be having a field day.

    Amorim was raked across the coals for a full month after the Brentford/Fulham/City results and plenty of journos saying he was on the chopping block for his refusal to adapt his system. They've lost double the amount of games and there's barely a peep from the same hacks. Combined with Slot throwing his toys out of the pram, you'd think this was a perfect time to highlight the woes Liverpool are facing, but no, he's allowed pout and strop and crib about teams having the audacity to…………..**checks notes**………play differently against them.

    Kevin Keegan levels of delusion and paranoia and he, pretty much, gets a free pass.

    There's a distinct possibility they end up with 9 losses out of 10, given their next three games. Will the knives be out? Or more 'kid glove' treatment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    This must be one of Shaws longest uninterrupted periods in the team in his whole United career, I wonder is it the positional change that is helping, because with martinez on the way back……if you had a fit and firing Shaw playing that left wing back role, it would be a massive upgrade on Dalot or Dorgu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,224 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Mbeumo & Amorim up for player and manager of the month.

    Mbeumo up against:

    Cash, Villa

    Guimares, Newcastle

    Haaland, City

    Kroupi, Bournemouth

    Mukiele, Sunderland

    Thiago, Brentford

    Timber, Arsenal

    .

    Amorim against:

    Arteta, Arsenal

    Emery, Villa

    Iraola, Bournemouth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,301 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I would be inclined to say that Shaw hasn't (or won't have soon enough) the legs for LWB. Even if he did, I don't think he would be a great LWB either. When Fullbacks were just Fullbacks, and when he was fit, his stats for assists etc were fairly poor compared to other fullbacks.

    And on the other hand, I think he is really starting to understand/settle into that LCB role now. He was great at stepping out of the line and winning ball against Brighton.

    Dorgu gets far too hard of a time imo. He is excellent at getting forward, yes, his distribution isn't great, but that will come imo. The fact that he gets into a lot of good positions going forward (a really good thing) probably highlights his weaknesses even more.... I.e If he wasn't as good/athletic going forward, his poor distribution wouldn't be to the fore / highlighted as much.

    Having Licha back is not a bad position to be in at all. Dorgu has played more games than you would want.

    Rotating Licha / Shaw for LCB while also rotating Shaw / Dorgu for LWB should really benefit the team.

    I would hope that the Licha / Shaw rotation would be prioritised first as Licha is eased back in in a very sensible way.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,301 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    One thing I can't get my head around is Amorim favouring Dalot over Dorgu in that LWB slot recently. Results have meant that it's not as much of a talking point. As much as Dorgu needs to improve his distribution, he is still miles ahead of Dalot in that spot imo. Dalot has had some really poor games recently and if it was Dorgu putting in those performances... God help him..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Not that he was ever quick over the ground,but after the last serious injury Licha seemed to have become less mobile,I hope for his own sake this latest setback hasn’t affected him similarly.

    If it has his days playing at the top level are behind him.Thats not hyperbole,it’s reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Yeah, the break between games has definitely helped, every match feels like it means a bit more now, and it’s great to see players like Mount and Shaw finally getting some consistent game time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    On the flip side, there are players there that badly, badly need game time,so a few not-all-that-important cup games would be useful at the minute. I suspect we are going to see a pattern all season of fringe players getting a run out and making no impact because they simply aren't getting enough minutes.

    Its not a huge deal, not a huge number of players affected, but the likes of Mainoo and Heaven do need something more than they are getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,406 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Add Zirkzee to that. Totally understandable about him looking for a loan in Jan

    But yes, the one game a week is probably what the team needed to get the tactics and extra prep time in given the base we were coming from. A good FA cup run could help in the new year now that we are hopefully turning a corner on that front and players missing for AFCON will open up some gaps too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭jayo44


    I think it's a case of manager protecting him. Dorgu is young and going to make mistakes which he has done but Dalot has made plenty too. The manager aint stupid despite what some would have YOU believe so I think it's a case that he feels Dalot can handle the mistakes a bit better than a young player still settling in at the club.

    In my opinion dorgu has a bright future at the club he will be a very good player it just might take him a couple of season to get that consistency and maturity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Dorgu also literally just turned 21. Lots of time for him to develop. Hes strong and hes quick, 2 key attributes to a WB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,935 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    amorim lost like 20 games or something and finished 15th in 24/25.
    Slott won the league with 6 (?) games to go in 24/25.

    IMO it is fairly obvious one would, and should, get a lot more leeway and credit to burn this season.

    Not forever, but Amorim (rightly, imo) started with zero credit in the bank this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    And he only finished his second season of senior football summer gone. Still think they should sign a LWB in the summer if possible. Dorgu can cover both LWB and RWB so offers versatility off the bench and if there's European football we'll have plenty of games.

    Both think they'll prioritize CM and get their signings in for there before moving onto other positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Hopefully the head of fabulous hair he's rocking now brings him Samson like strength. His distribution and getting the ball into midfield and the final 3rd is top notch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Re licha, the biggest thing he brings to the team is mentality, he is the closest to Keano that I've seen since RK left, in terms of pure balls, not being afraid to get in the faces of opponents or teammates, 100% committed to the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭BenK


    Yeah great to have Martinez back. He is a leader in fairness. He was never the quickest but hopefully the injury won't affect him too much.

    Still only 27 so potentially has plenty left in him yet. Tough ball playing CBs are hard to find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    The age profile of the team is starting to look good. As in we are signing players that are there but can go another level into their prime. Mbeumbo and Cuhna hopefully will steam on ahead and lead the charge to success. Finally Bruno has others where he can think its not all on him to do something special. A lot of pressure released for him having those two in front of him.

    Or

    Looking towards building them to a age where they prime, Yoro, Dorgu, Heaven, Lammens potentially GK's tend to take a bit longer with age but looks promising.

    They are at age where we can get some good years out of them.

    Just watched a Cavani highlight reel when he was at utd which made we thought of the above. I always wanted him and wish we had gotten him 5 years sooner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,263 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    We should sign Festy Ebosole for the other side then.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Dorgu a young January signing, had played his first half in a fucked up team tbf and did well enough.

    Hasn't started thebseadoj so great but we are starting to chime. Let the lad be coached. Hes shown more last season when we were shocking to give him the right to not right him off. There's time with him lads.

    If we were to sell every player that had a blunder we wouldnt have a squad

    Post edited by AidoEirE on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Frimpong and Kerkezz would of been the go to's, look how they've got on. There's a powerful wb in dorgu in this system

    Post edited by AidoEirE on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭GolfPar


    Hes powerful and strong for sure. I just don't see great ability on the ball. Maybe that will come but younger players normally already have that and it's other areas that need refining in their game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I think Dorgu is better in the right where he plays for Denmark.

    Post edited by Iseedeadpixels on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,301 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Maybe I'm misremembering my youth... but I seem to remember Giggs' early career was full of talk about his distribution (which I would include as "ability on the ball") and certainly Ronaldo's early career was.

    Not comparing Dorgu to those two, but if he turns out to be half the player they were, he'll have done alright but I don't necessarily agree that decision making on the ball is something younger players naturally have. I definitely think it comes with making errors / learning / experience. In fact, I would almost say it's more likely than not that it's a thing younger players need to work on.

    Wasn't Nani the same. Neville's distribution got better with experience as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,899 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Dorgu might be young and imperfect. But he is already a better player than Dalot on the left, I thought that was the original poster's point.

    These are important games so surely we should be picking our best team.



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