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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Joma4good


    I’m a fan of Cian Prendergast, but I think he fits the no.6 spot in a similar fashion to POM ie good lineout option and busy player but I don’t think he is in the same class as a carrier as Coombes or able to finish against the physicality that the ABs will bring. If we need a replacement for Doris mid game I’d be a lot happier seeing Coombes coming onto the pitch. Not sure if AF would take that step now though.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    It's not always a bad thing. Elliot Daly and Jodie Barrett have made fine careers out of playing across multiple positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    For sure, I'm just not sure he can do it to as high a standard across all positions. But he gets pulled around so much it's hard to gauge with him. Not sure I like him on the wing and 15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Be thankful that Farrell is capable of making corrections. I'm delighted for Farrell, was a big admirer of him during his Connacht years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Don't you mean corrections forced on him by circumstances!? (I.e. injury to his favoured & woefully out of form Henshaw for instance!?)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    well at least they did not need to be knocked down by a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    what is the story with Hugo K. Any idea when he will be back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    He hopes to be back around the end of the year, according to Bernard Jackman who says he heard it from Hugo.

    Joe McCarthy said he hopes to get back during November (same source)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Over on the General Rugby discussion thread there's an interesting point being made by @Bart97 in there for sure that would relate to the Irish squad for RWC2027.
    If you were to pick out the players across the provinces that should be at their peak in 2027 from Irish rugby who would be the best 15-23 that would fit that bracket right now projecting forward 2 years from now?
    Then take that group, and think about if they were the collective selectors for the remaining spots, would they rather select the players that are past their peak or the players that are not yet at their peak, or break it down and make decisions on a case by case basis?
    Every position has a different age bracket for peak age, and some individuals will be outside of the norm so it's really up for debate as to making selections.
    Then the interesting part is compare that team/squad to what it is most likely going to be given the current approach of drip-feeding in players here and there very gradually while keeping the incumbent players in the jersey as long as possible.
    I'll give it a go later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It's still pretty subjective though - how are you defining peak? The best player on the pitch last Saturday night is 3 months away from his 34th birthday.

    Johnny Sexton was 33 winning World Player of the Year, Bundee was the same age when he was nominated in 2023. There are plenty of guys in Irish rugby who are 25 and don't look ready for the next level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Bart97


    Also Ireland are handicapped as they are the only side in World Rugby who aren’t allowed players over 30 it seems! How many of those 25 year olds have actually got enough time or chances though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    It's taking advantage of circumstance, yes, but he could have selected Gavin, Postlethwaite or another young prospect. Instead, he's rewarding form.

    It sounds like you're just determined to find fault with him regardless of what he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Den Kelly has been tearing up trees for Munster at centre. At the moment I'd have him above

    Osbourne in ability and pace. I've see Osbourne throw a few dud passes for green and blue.

    Kelly is a big leader in the team and instantly improves defense. Seems to link up well with Crowley / Farrell too which is a bonus.

    JGP is having more and more dud performances. Since the last 6Ns he is starting to look a bit lost, plus he doesn't really pair up well with Crowley.

    I know Andy is a big fan of cohesion, so a possible combination of Casey, Crowley, Dan Kelly and Tom Farrell would probably have more playmakers that the current lot. I don't really see Ringrose or Henshaw as playmakers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Peak ability, generally for a back that will be younger, for a front row will be older.
    Put it this way, if you were looking to use limited resources to sign a top player, you'd want to get them at the beginning of them getting into their prime and hold onto them for about 4 years to get their best years out of them before going back to the market to get the next top player beginning their prime years.

    Say roughly I'd estimate the following: (Playing Number) peak age, prime years,
    (1) 30, 28-32, (2) 29, 27-31, (3) 31, 29-33, (4) 28, 26-30, (5) 29, 27-31, (6) 28, 26-30, (7) 27, 25-29, (8) 27, 25-29,
    (9) 27, 25-29, (10) 28, 26-30, (11) 25, 23-27, (12) 28, 26-30, (13) 27, 25-29, (14) 25, 23-27, (15) 27, 25-29.

    It might be a good idea to select a starting 15 for 2027 based off that age profile, and supplement it with another 8 older and another 8 younger, and 2 more for a squad of 33.

    Then compare that with the expected 33 that will slowly evolve now.

    Then consider, are there players now entering their prime that need to be getting more capps over the next 2 years to get them ready?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭TRC10


    JGP is having more and more dud performances. Since the last 6Ns he is starting to look a bit lost, plus he doesn't really pair up well with Crowley.

    Munster fans love to bring up that we won a 6N with Crowley at 10 as justification for why Crowley should start (which is fine). But Crowley’s halfback partner for that 6N was JGP. So by their own logic shouldn’t that mean JGP and Crowley do pair up well? Not sure what the evidence is that they don’t pair up well is. That being said, JGP has been off form and I’d like to see Casey get a start or two against a tier 1 team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,592 ✭✭✭✭phog


    An in form JGP should start but a JGP from last Saturday night shouldn't even be on the bench.

    Himself and Lowe were easily the worst two players on the field on Saturday evening. He spent more time trying to milk penalties than playing the ball and then you can in his indecision and poor execution. Terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,552 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    It's a pity it's NZ up first and not Japan, ideally you'd want the players that played poorly the other night to get a game together at national level to iron out kinks.

    I'd back Farrell to get a performance out of them but if they don't it could make for a long AIs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭shimmieandshake


    There are no other scrum-halves who are in-form enough to usurp JGP. If Casey was fit and firing, he'd have a case, but he's not.

    JGP was bad vs. Munster, but he'll be better vs. NZ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭daithi7


    I haven't seen him play yet myself, but by all accounts Nathan Doak is playing really great stuff with Ulster this season, who are in fine form also.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Casey was in great form at the start of the season, so hopefully he can overcome the “fit” side of the equation.

    I’d like to see him start 2 games this AI’s, tbh. He’s due to be back the week before the NZ game. I think he could put real pressure on JGP this season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    JGP is 33 and will be 34 later this season. He's in the age range where his performances could become unreliable and then decline. I don't think you can really bet on him being back to his best form again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭theVersatile




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    True. He did win POTM award on Saturday. Parent as opposed to player. But Nathan has been playing well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭HanShotFirst


    If Casey is fit start Casey and Crowley bench JGP and Prendergast. Reverse for Japan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    This is what I've found most frustrating with Leinster since last season. They've repeatedly given games to McGrath over Gunne, when I think they should be going all out pushing Gunne. I would not be shocked if JGP is 2nd or 3rd choice SH at the WC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Never third choice. He'll be the Ireland bench option until he retires. Same as when Casey was starting ahead of Murray for Munster but Murray benched for Ireland well after it was clear Casey was the better option.

    Totally agree on Gunne. He should have been in ahead of Mcgrath last year. He will have weaknesses through lack of experience, but his strengths are good enough to make it a toss-up with Mcgrath. I don't really want to hear about Mcgrath making several big tackles towards the end of last year. He would be a much better scrum half if he was just a competent tackler but a good passer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Luke plays an important leadership role when the Irish & Lions are over lapping which given the vaccum left over those 12-14 weeks each season it’s a significant impact. I think Gunne gets more and more time as his talent is becoming more obvious each appearance. The downside of so much national representation is clear, the upside is the next generation get good game time. This season feels more vulnerable as the losses are up front, but I remain optimistic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭shimmieandshake


    Agreed, but I also think age has some wiggle room. JGP is the age Sexton was when he won World Player of the Year. Probably, in part, because Sexton came relatively late to getting lots of minutes at the top level… but JGP did too.

    On the other hand, someone like Henshaw might fade a bit earlier (like a Michael Owen, or Wayne Rooney) because they were already thrown into the rigours of top end sport in their teens. Similar theme in terms of how Beirne appears a fair bit younger than Henderson.

    Still agree with people saying Casey is pushing JGP - happy to hear he's fit again, his form at the beginning of the season was excellent.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The Dan Kelly who has 278 minutes total for Munster ever? Think it's a little bit early to be declaring anything about his status in Munster or Irish rugby there



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