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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭briany


    No they don't. They take an oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution. They also pledge to obey the President and appointed officers, but 'within regulations'. It isn't a case of blindly doing bidding. If they receive an illegal order they can refuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yes sure an unlawful order, they have lawyers to advise them on that. The fact is they are right to follow the elected leadership by default, otherwise you run the risk of military takeovers Everytime a general feels like they have moral authority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Edit: the crux of what the U.S is going through right now is down to the switches Trump is pulling using the power of the presidency. It's not one party or the other, It's purely Trump using all the leverages of the office of the presidency in ways that the powers of the office were granted to the presidency regardless of party were never contemplated as possible. Even Nixon didn't go near as far as Trump did in 2021 and is trying to do again with more experience under his belt. END OF EDIT…

    It SEEMED to me, or so I read it, that the other debater was of the opinion that because a person was in the military he/she would automatically be predisposed toward obeying an authoritarian figure, in this case Trump.

    Trump is an elected OFFICIAL who, in turn, has legal obligations to comply with, which does not include issuing his heads of departments orders which he knows are, in their core and intent, issued purely for personal gain; that is retention of the presidency, while suggesting to the public they are to stamp out criminality, and criminal gangs, in certain U.S cities.

    It is not dissent for any member to vote against a person seeking election to a public office merely because the person is already holding that office. That also, IMO, includes any occasion when a serving member of the military perceives that one person seeking public office would be better for the state of the union than the other person, regardless of party affiliation on a true freedom of vote basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Flashback to a time of leadership chaos in the Oval Office following the attempted assassination of President Reagan, a person apparently asked "who's in charge" and the Sec State to the President replied "I'm in charge" or words to that effect. There was an almighty hoo-hah over that as the Sec State was Al Haig, a former U.S general. It appeared to some that Haig was supplanting the successional chain of office in the constitution where the V/P is next in line.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,843 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    If that is what euronews reported, then they are wrong, your initial paragraph is more correct. SCOTUS did a kicking the can down the road to an extent I haven't seen in a long while.

    The court refused to overrule the lower court at this time, and scheduled argument on whether or not to do that for January. In the meantime, she stays in her job.

    That's only on the matter of the stay of the order, a decision on the merits would follow after the lower courts themselves have made their rulings on the merits, so I wouldn't expect to see it argued (if at all, SCOTUS taking up the stay doesn't necessitate their taking up the merits) until the middle of next year at best, and actually decided until next autumn.

    What's odd about it is that it at first sight seems at odds with their position on reversing the lower court with regards the FTC lady, Slaughter, two weeks ago. Their ruling there allowed her to remain fired. Again, this is more a matter of the technicalities of the process, not a ruling on the merits of who is right, but a likelihood of success is a part of their consideration. What the technical differences are that would allow this apparent inconsistency, i have not learned.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    True though in the Humphrey vs Executor case in 1935, that was specifically taken by a fired member of the FTC. It's applicability to the FTC then should be particularly strong. So I agree it seems strange that SCOTUS did not block that. It's a 90 year old precedent.

    Clarence Thomas has openly said that the Humphrey vs Executor ruling was flawed.

    In the case of the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve Act, passed under Woodrow Wilson, says that private banks have a stake in it. They don't have a stake in the FTC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭somenergy


    They are hiding what they blamed the dems for doing, only difference the WH is full of incompetence, inexperienced and corrupt foxnews hosts and podcasts god forbid if there was an international crisis...

    Sorry about the link has to be open in browser its very telling

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/additional-footage-speaker-confrontation-rep-030318044.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM3eaccVSFwOrthOE1xZM8Xx16xYibfDmqL96840hObnMYG_K8B3uYPhSsbMfndsSFaD36Y08d4q1Fn6AjSXiR_AIlwZ9S8WenVJ8lcK9JOvmnDHTgU5j1s6ujYEFh7xh0YceRnMCUMlC34-S_N4j9RJRRxz9HFWB22YVUqHTgfy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,285 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Trumps gone full communist

    Who could have forseen that happening?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,418 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    The latest jobs report is terrible

    Prices are continuing to rise.

    Doge was a complete disaster

    Trump has been completely unable to do anything about Putins war in Ukraine.

    The soy farmers are so badly off due to his tariffs that Trump is now using federal money to bail them out.

    He is sending the military on to the streets to fire on US citizens

    And now the government has shut down.

    I think that with the daily madness we tend to quickly forget just how terrible a job he is actually doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    just wait till ICE stop the midterms and the republicans get a landslide win…. I think America is sliding towards total chaos.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Yes, you're right. I went back for another look at the tv news item wording and saw I had left out the word "temporary" from what is, reportedly, in Trumps legal case to SCOTUS. He put it before the word fired to describe how he saw her position after he said he had fired her as in "I have temporarily fired her". How one temporarily fires a person one had already sourced a replacement for on the board may sign a differing of opinion in Trump's HR affairs advisors.

    It may be that he knew/knows he is on shaky legal grounds in his claim he could fire her in the first place and if SCOTUS went against him, he could claim the "temporary" firing was like placing her on furlough and she could resume her Board duties without hindrance, which, given he is what he is, would mean she is now on his nasty person list to be gotten even with in time.

    Gid forbid anyone thinking there was some back door arrangement done between SCOTUS and Trump's team to get him off the hook and long-finger the case to allow it slip from the public's memory to a time more advantageous to him, should he still be sitting in the Oval Office as president next year. That's only 3 months away now.

    I do tend to be highly suspicious of SCOTUS present bench decisions and reasonings where Trump is possibly being given a wider benefit due to being the office holder and nowt else, beyond what seems best practice for supplicants to it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    America is doomed until he is gone, and probabaly for a few years after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,051 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    In the same way that the people of Gaza will take a generation to recover from this famine (if they survive the genocide). The damage that is being done now to their health and psyche is permanent for the people affected and their children, MAGA is like a political famine. It is eating away at the social institutions, digesting them from the inside and even if Trump died in the morning, or if the Dems win the mid terms, most of the damage being done now will linger for decades.

    The only reason Trump lackeys can blame the government shutdown on 'democrats wanting transgender or everyone' and not be immediately forced to resign in humiliation, is because of the years and years of deliberate constant repetition of these lies. They broke society, completely destroyed the ability for entire sections of society in America to distinguish truth from absolute nonsense, and they're cashing in on that investment now.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Trump has zero sense of humour, the only time you see him laughing is when he makes jokes about other people, giving them names like Newscum, Shifty, Crazy, sleepy etc or joking about their appearance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,920 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Not to mention the intentional blocking of the release of the Epstein files.....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Trump using his site to send a message to China on it's "hard nose" negotiating in his style, without admitting their success or tariffs, that he's open to a secret "quid pro quo" deal with them on the agriculture trading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,728 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Why would China care about Trump and his soy beans ? They have a deal with Brazil for example that still gets them soy beans, probably for less money too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    No doubt there will be ICE arresting people who will be queuing to vote in blue states



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    very likely the strategy, they have been on a relentless recruitment drive and have a near endless budget. It pretty much guarantees a Republican mid term win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭scuba8


    I am not saying Republicans are pedophiles but they are ambivalent as to whether the people they support are pedophiles.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    I'm sure Trump will use that against her when he no longer has use for her and MAGA will lap it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,982 ✭✭✭yagan


    reliable trade partners are more important to China that Trump volatility.

    Plus more trade settled via non USD currency swaps cuts out sanction risk.

    Cocoa, coffee and soya beans may already be mostly traded in non USD arrangements, which would explain the massive recent price rises for western customers, although relative euro strength partly reduces the impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I see the federal government is sueing states for their voter registration information. I'm guessing they are literally going to create a database of suspected Democrats(this will read terrorists in the future). I never trusted this whole registering for a party business or why it is even necessary, I certainly won't be doing it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,872 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I was trying to look up someone I knew years ago in the US just by searching their name and not only found a list of all of their historical addresses, but also details on the party they were registered to.

    Was quite shocked to find that to be honest, didn't know it was publically available (or something people even did)

    Imagine people being able to look you up and seeing you were registered to an Irish party. Madness!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    FREE PUDDING.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,216 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I saw this on Reddit:

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    Obviously, it might not be real but it is horrifying. The UK has had secret ballots for a century and a half. How is this not a thing in the US?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,920 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So, before the election he didn't know what project 2025 was, and denied any ties.

    Fast forward to today...

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    He lies as easily as he breathes.....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭17togo


    What do people genuinely think will happen if Trump either calls off the midterms or tries to influence it by having ICE patrol the voting stations which would obviously affect the turnout rate for democratic voters.

    Would there be an uprising of sorts?! If it was the other way around I'm sure Trump and the right would have no problem in starting something (Jan 6th), but not sure the same would happen on the left.

    The court seem powerless to stop anything nowadays. Mass protests could just go on for months with no real outcome if the military and national guard are roaming the streets too!

    Maybe Manic Moran could give an idea to what he thinks would happen. I know you're obviously a supporter of the current administration, and mightn't see it heading that way. But from the outside looking in that definitely seems like the plan at the moment.

    Would successfully calling off or disrupting the midterm just be a dry run for the next presidential 'election', where the next guy up in MAGA is primed to take over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Again, America, cmon, do your thing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,894 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's going to be one hell of a mess to clean up when the adults are back in the White House.



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