Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

WWell was it a hunting rifle?

These are excuses, not reasoning. He didn't take pains to point out problems with King's legacy. He attacked the man and, by extension, showed disrespect to the whole black population of the USA. He was looking to provoke. Pets and Haitians.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko

Black pilot. Once again, refrained from an impersonal way of making his point. Deliberately phrased it 'black pilot'. Didn't even bother with the dog whistle.Yet again, using the most provocative wording to inflame his MAGA audience and smuggle in the racism for the white supremacists in his audience. The same goes for Paul Pelosi and is all of a piece of the mockery and slanders thrown at his wife and himself by other MAGA including Donald Trump himself and Eric Trump.

Considering that there are some quite high profile people actively celebrating his death, it seems unlikely that the mainstream media has suddenly and inexplicably decided to take the high ground. That would be a first for sure. 😏

I'm still waiting for anything that's clearly racist or homophobic from him. Instead I've found this:

The extreme right wing Magats losing their **** over the death of Kirk. Vowing retribution on Democrats and other left leaning commentators. Blaming Democrats for the violence in American politics. The levels of hypocrisy are staggering.

There was complete silence on the right concerning the assassination of Mellisa and Mark Hortman. There were no threats of vengeance coming from the Democrats. Left leaning commentators were not calling for civil war. The maga extremists are the ones fomenting violence.

But race DID matter at the time the Civil Rights movement and bill came about, and widespread discrimination occurred on that basis.

If Kirk didn't agree with the Civil Rights bill, I wonder what alternative he had in mind to right the wrongs of a few hundred previous years of institutionalised racism beyond presumably waving a magic wand and declaring race no longer mattered?

Cherry picked statement with no context. Very convenient.

He was referencing his concern about DEI policies in the hiring process.

He had argued that such policies might lead companies, including airlines to prioritise race over merit.

A very genuine concern.

For example look at United Airlines.

In 2021 they announced they would be aiming for 50% of its new pilot hires over the next decade to be women or people of colour.

Back to Charlie.

One question he asked a student regarding DEI was If you took the NBA and said you want 50% of the new players to be white would the standards drop....

*Of course they would.

Personally I believe DEI is a scourge in hiring. Its pure discrimination.

I'm a bit confused, is that clip there supposed to be seen as a positive? I'm a gay man and if he'd spoken to me like that, I'd have felt quite insulted.

The kid was asking him a genuine question with regards to being both gay and conservative (dealing with being a minority of a minority) and Kirk's immediate reaction is to try to take "the gay" out of the equation, even though that was the entire point of the kids question. Clearly the young man was looking for some kind of reassurance of support for his community from Kirk and the right in general, but instead Kirk pivoted towards the idealistic "but why do we need to be defined by who we sleep with?" Which is such an obvious evasion to the question.

And his smiling "we welcome you into the conservative movement", while preceding it with a "as a Christian I don't agree with your lifestyle". What a gent.

I'm sure it's been explained to him before, but while a person's sexuality is certainly not the sum total of who they are, it is an intrinsic part of them and certainly not simply a "lifestyle" (a term used to make it sound as though it's more of a choice people can make).

So his final remarks there amount to "I can't abide by your sexuality, but at least we both agree on strong borders for our country, right?!"

"Personally I believe DEI is a scourge in hiring."

Of course you do.

I bet you think black people aren't being oppressed, trans people are a scourge and windmills give you cancer.

This is a very sinister site. - a watchlist. Very easy to slip into the rabbit hole of misinformation….

Who is behind this ? Who has the time to collate all this info ? What is the purpose of?

https://www.professorwatchlist.org/

What he said was that as a Christian he didn’t agree with that lifestyle but that (he didn’t need to approve of it to get on with the guy personally) Paraphrasing as I can’t be bothered listening again.

The point here is, that’s basic Christian teaching. Similar applies to divorce, and for catholics, contraception as well. So are you saying that anyone who is a practising catholic is a homophobe who hates divorced people and couples using contraception?

In your world is nobody allowed to have any differences of opinion about anything much at all without being deemed an enemy?

Seems very intolerant to me.