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Mart Price Tracker

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Barron lad


    11. Mixed bag of hex, aax and fr



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Is it a reliable source? Cause everything I've read/seen/heard is contrary to that view..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,530 ✭✭✭tanko


    I feel sorry for anyone who is gullible enough to believe the predictions that are spouted on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭grass10


    Most lads are getting really carried away with this so called scarcity of cattle look at any mart and I don't see any small marts anywhere, if by year end we slaughter 100 k less cattle that's only 2000 per week for the whole year. During the winter on any given week whether their is 30k or 32k or 34k per week processed it will still mean the barons will be in control, we are after approx 25k per week for the last 2 months which is very small numbers and yet their was plenty farmers selling for 7.50 base price and lower anyone that bargained sold for over 8 euro, what do farmers think factories are going to pay when the kill will be 33k per week the barons won't pay what they were forced to pay this spring and summer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Barron lad


    Yes, he wouldn't be lying to me for the sake of it. That's just what he is being told, whether it comes thru or not no one can say. I just said my bit if info what any man does after that is upto himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I called the way the price would pan out last May. I even advised people in Feb/March not to feed on out of the shed which kept up supply during May/June.

    To fill contracts in Feb/March the processors killed forward stores bought in thre mart that would normally have been grassed and slaughtered from mid June until now.

    As well to compound there problems independent feedlots went head to head with them.over the last 10 weeks to buy forward cattle ( and some really forwards ones) to feed on into heavier weights on the assumption that prices would keep rising.

    I think that is where the standoff is happening at present IMO, the feedlots are hold out for a deal. It's immaterial to us as if they do a deal with the feedlots they will still F@@kove the smaller supplier over.

    Lads on about Tom next door having no cattle or Mick up the road only having half this normal numbers are not looking at the actual figures.

    The CSO stated about a months ago that on June 1st we had 50k less 24-30 month cattle, that is where 70-80% of the kill until Christmas will come from.

    Our kill is 70k+ less than last year. There will be less dairy culls but weights will be higher than last year. From mid September until December last year the kill was up on 38k, processors were caught to an extent becase summer 24 was so wet weights nosedived and we had a dry Autumn which helped lads hold cattle longer

    This years weight will be higher, lots of lads feeding bulls since mid summer. Numbers will be up on 35k a week or maybe beyond it for a lot of the autumn

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    farmers are often guilty of believing their own hype



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,717 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I keep saying it, but what happens numbers wise within Ireland has very little effect on prices here. We export 90% of our Beef, so international supply & demand is the real driver of prices here.

    Post edited by patsy_mccabe on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    In other words, when the weekly kill increases factories will use that as an excuse to pull price, but their market won't have necessarily changed?

    Whatever the ins and outs of it, a bit of transparency from the factories would be helpful. But asking them to volunteer it is like playing handball against a cock of hay, to use Joe Higgins famous phrase.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arm Wax


    the guys in house next door are all working in abp and are now on a 3 day week ,a lot of their comrades that can leave are looking for other jobs and the story going around is that some plants are going to close to shove cattle to other plants to keep the work force in place in those factories .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Blame the fat cats for that no us farmers. Im sure they can be redeployed to the feed lots, pet food plants or private hospitals. They would have been an aulful lot more cattle in this country if the barons had to pay us farmers. At one stage we were 200e per head behind the UK price they were minting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Given alot of them lads are working of visas with guaranteed yearly wage of 33k having to be paid going of memory, is Larry and Co charging them extra rent when their on 3 day weeks to recoup overpaying them for the days not worked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭nearlybreak




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭White Clover


    That's a good point about the Visas. They might be putting out the rumour of a 3 day week but they'll still have to pay the full salary.

    It has ever and always been the same, those running the meat factories in this country are out and out tramps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    A small number of people have stolen billions of euros out of farmers pockets over at least the last twenty years.
    Now they can pay up to 8 euros per kg but could only pay 4 euros at one point .
    Watch the narrative for the rest of the year . It will be the poor mouth all the way ;
    Thirty day residency as the supermarkets only want fresh meat as the mart prices have forced them to pay more in the marts Factories on shorter weeks. Agents not able to get cattle killed. Etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They never told us when they were making money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Abp Waterford was bought for pittance it was a fire sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭zetor 4911


    Cattle seems to be back in the marts today anyone else think so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Yep. I pulled the trigger and sold a few bk yesterday. Averaged 4.3/kg for HE and CHR but last week they were making 4.5/kg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭amacca


    Yep 100%....prices well back on what I was getting for similar stock 4/6 weeks ago

    I let some off but I'm thinking I'll just hold the rest from now on...I might keep them till after Xmas and buy a few less replacements at high money.....see how I go....I was offloading as they came fit so I'm not stuck for grass and I have the shed space

    I was just thinking the main people to really benefit from this might finally be the ones that deserve it most imo the suckler men calving cows...I'm buying to fatten...the prices I was getting were saucy, the prices I'm going to have to give to replace (if I replace) feel even saucier....so might reduce what I'm buying and reduce the risk...a lot depends on what level I see prices settle at to....I need a margin too and I need to try reduce risk

    Tbh I hope the Factories get a scutching and are forced to bring quotes back up but time will tell

    If the could do it the best power farmers have is to hold on to stock...but we don't work together...and there's a whole load of levers/factors to take autonomy away in that regard (Im looking at you 30 month limit etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Tileman


    I have some stores to sell in a few weeks. Mix of animals. But I have 4 Angus and seen as they are black gold at the moment what way would you sell them. 530kg, 500kg, 475kg, 445kg. Is there too much of a difference between them to sell as two sets of pairs!
    the other few will sell as singles but just want to maximise the Angus s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,622 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Depends on the shape of them as well. I would possibly go 3:1. The light one might actually make more per kg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Effectively they are stores. The two heaviest woukd suit a feeder, the other two need another bit before they can be fed. They would suit a grass man for next year. The first two will be 495 ish mart weight, the other two about 435/440 mart weight.

    All four together woukd be about 470 mart weight.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭kk.man


    You are right to off load them. Forward store cattle are just mad money in marts (there's someone on a very big promise!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    A nice selection of stores in Kilkenny today, be interesting to see if the prices will be back at all.

    Looking at some I'd like to buy, then they hit €5/kg in the ring 🥲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭nearlybreak


    it don’t make sense saw three nice lmx maybe one U two good Rs 490 kgs 2460 they will be standing in you yard well over 2,500 probably looking near enough to 3k out in grass next may and we won’t include labour or risk but leave them kill 440. @7.50next back end that’s 3,300 just to give a figure obviously no one knows but off them figures there’s is no profit for huge risk and investment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭nearlybreak


    and there’s stores making a lot more than that obviously better cattle again but it’s either one of two things cattle are going to take a major hike in prices next year or lads will lose all around them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭50HX


    Without the knowledge of external factors my own hunch is factory price is going to be current price +/- 1€.

    I can't see how beef becomes affordable with a factory price of €9-10/kg

    I see tesco have brought out a bolognese mincepack, its 50% pork but sold just below the beef price...some money spinner for them

    Pork is comparatively cheap v beef, esp in mince form.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    I wouldn’t read too much into that. An authentic Italian bolognaise should be half and half pork and mince



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