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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Was never let down here by local dairymaster lads, have gotten us out of serious trouble re blown vacuum pump etc on a Sunday morning/milk pump bearing, its totally area specific the back-up service, dairymaster stuff is made of chocolate, in fairness but locally their the best back-up service hands down..

    Chatting brother last night and apparently pratts in abeyleix lost the Delaval agency, messing like that from the big corporate operations with similar been done by gea a few years ago is lethal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Will tirlain have to buy back the leprino plant in portlaoise now I wonder with the closure announcement, from memory half a billion litres worth of milk was contracted to the plant on a five year rolling contract, you'd wonder how they are even allowed to break such a agreement, its a odd situation given how new a facility its is, to be mothballing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Will be putting in a pearson as factory is only 20 minutes away if parts are needed hearing they give good service too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I asked a few lads around me what they thought of their machines, all said avoid. Happy with what we have



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    The word "dairydisaster" seems to be mention alot when asking about a certain make of parlour it seem



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    I’ve a Dairymaster - the service is brilliant but the parts are rubbish

    Thank god they have a good back up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭straight


    A bit unfair maybe. Alot might depend on location. It's a popular machine around here and lads are happy out. I'm delaval myself. I don't think the brand is the biggest issue.

    Keep it simple is the main thing. Less things to go wrong. A neighbour of mine went away for 1 night and the compressor gave up. The cows were stuck inside in the sequential baling and couldn't be released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    for parlour think cow flow in/out…for 60/70 cows 8/10 units loads at start …leave room for more units ..wouldn’t be leaving off technology ….feeders a must …your back will thank you in long run ..I’d go acrs as well



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Depends on the layout of the yard and how close cubicles are to the parlour, but two exits might be useful.

    I’ve a left and a right exit here. Haven’t used the one into the field yet but when I’ve the fence/roadway set up, it’ll save time and walking thru the cubicles when the cows are going to most of the paddocks.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Could nt agree more.a simple machine needs no back up.the only thing I haven't been able to fix on our machine is the pulsation box.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭yewdairy


    Would put in 14 units if budget can go to it, that should not change size of pumps or milk line. So should be fairly cost effective. 84 cows is only 6 rows.

    Fairly certain Pearson assemble plant in the factory and roll into shed putting in the extra couple of units now probably best value.

    Adding extra units down the line is poor value have seen some eye watering quotes to add a few units afterwards.

    Different part of the country to you but most of new machines around us seem to be Pearson, any lads I know with them are very happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Cows got stuck in the parlour here last year during a power outage. We managed to get them out by releasing the air at the compressor . Generator going in soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Put in an auto wash day one, I have a low level vacuum line to milk cows that are out of the tank instead of a dump line. Make sure the pit is wide enough and deep enough for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    good cow flow can be as good as an extra unit or 2 I think. If you can at all try get collecting yard running directly behind parlour. Leave a full bay at the front of the parlour for cows to exit, if you’re tight on room and one cow stops it can stop the whole row of cows exiting. Try have a slatted walk way for the cows leaving the parlour, that will reduce the amount of scraping you have to do

    We have a 20 unit Pearson here. Started out as a 12 unit Pearson with no removers. When we extended it we put on removers, meters and cluster flush. You can add them on all later. Pearson’s have it well thought through that you don’t have to do a pile of ripping to add on extras. Definitely go for feeders of some description, even if they are pig feeders l. We have pig feeders and they’re fine. I would definitely prioritise spending extra on cow flow over extras on the parlour when starting out,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭straight


    I don't know about the cows standing around the top of the parlour sh1tting. Best job is if the cows could go straight out with the dairy to the side. Couldn't do that here but if I was doing it again that's what I'd do. No turning like..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Day 1 I'd make the parlour big enough for 24 units. Do it the once be damned. Even if you are putting in 10 units now.

    Posters are saying it's easier add units with the Pearson so that's going for it.

    My idea of perfect would be 4 rows of cows. I'd take 2 over 4 though. Make it as simple for yourself and the next generation if they want it. Simplest thing is to sicken yourself and anyone else by being chained to the parlour for hours. Faster you milk helps the cows in not being stuck on concrete waiting and more milk, better health overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Another thing is floor grip in the parlour. Just have a very light floor tamped finish on the parlour concrete for the cows. There's people out there go floated finish and then they have to get in concrete groovers cut in years after. It looks messy. And 40N for the concrete in parlour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    WWhat Price concrete atm?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭older by the day


    If you are milking your max 80 cows. You definitely need more than 10, it gets boring after a while. What number can one man manage comfortably with removers ?

    Great points above about cows exiting. The wider the better. It slows the whole lot down.

    You might get a simple system to draft a few cows for AI or a sick animal.?

    What feed troughs have you in mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,862 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    ACRs would be my No. 1



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,090 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Suppose a robot is out of the question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Have 2 road crossings for an 18 acre block and a 7 acre field..no problem with a parlour as its literally a straight step across a quiet side road but cuts me down to a 45 acres grazing block without it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Lmk_farmer


    New to boards after Kieran's video so don't be too harsh, where would lads prioritize investment starting out? Inside yard or outside. (44acreMP) total 54h owned but fragmented. facilities for current 24 milkers (406kg solids) calf to beef operation also. Reseeding roadways water vs parlour slurry storage vs improving cows. Current Parlour in old cow house milk truck has to back in off road. Truck drivers quote "if something happens this tanker we wont be able to get in the gate". 50 cow target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Had a chap from frs in looking for badgers, neighbour lost 5 milkers last week, we are separated by a 300 acre block the local horsey man owns, that's been left turn into a wildlife reservoir, big active set in it, but he's not allowed to set any snares till September, to make sure this years crop of badgers can survive if mammy is caught, its some set-up



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Seeing as it’s my big mouth brought you here I thought I better make some shape to answer 😂

    I’d say start with the parlour - how many units currently and can you extend that? Would you need to build onto the existing parlour shed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Lmk_farmer


    Was delighted to see you return to the camera. it’s a 4 unit Alfa laval with about 30 years experience. Room to extend back alright but high traffic area with cows and machinery all on same bit of concrete and no collection yard tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Are you eligible for the 60% tams grant, if so it's definitely something to look at.

    Or you can do bit by bit, depending on your stage of life, if you have family, mortgage and other commitments.

    with the farm fragmented would staying at what you have and finishing all the stock, be as easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    There should be plenty of similar plants about lying idle if you need a few more units



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    Just thinking of getting the bolt on mangers and the ids pig feeders definitely want to set up a drafting system but to start with I'll probably just set up a gate and a rope setup



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Keep it simple at the start.a second hand 12 to14 unit are readily available at reasonable money.a 14 to a 16 unit is most efficient labour wise especially relative to investment and time spent washing.i don't deal with salesmen.if a business can pay someone to talk sh#te all day you re paying too much.suss out a fella to put it in that will actually be doing the work



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