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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I'm pretty plainly saying if you're criticism extends to criticising Munster's finances based on speculation from a Graham Rowntree quote for the signing of Kiran MacDonald (who absolutely was necessary as a medical joker) then that extends beyond reasonable criticism.

    You'll never find anything but fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Okaaaaay….this might all have been relevant when we originally discussed this back in November 2022, but there is zero relevance of it to what we’re discussing today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You were criticising how profligate they've been over the past decade or so. It's an example of your over-the-top criticism during that period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    A. It’s not even criticism of the sort you’re describing.
    B. It’s not “over the top” criticism

    C. It’s the solitary example you’ve provided.

    Once again - you’ve acknowledged yourself poor financial management over the period, so I literally have no idea what point you’re trying to make here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It was completely over the top nit-picking (ironically) on a signing that was a complete non-issue and absolutely required. And all based entirely on speculation.

    I can provide plenty more but I don't see that convincing you either tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Appreciate you providing just more evidence as to how it wasn't 'a significant change' if that was the result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Not a significant material change for Leinster, correct, which is exactly what I argued all along. And seem to have been proven correct so far.

    But it straightforwardly is a significant change for the development pathways.

    There's the obvious point that €2m can go an awful lot further at the start of the development pathway than it can at the point end of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Nonsense. You can't make a change that puts nearly all the cost on one province and it never have an impact on their results and still claim it was 'a significant change', especially when actual significant changes were called for like scrapping the entire system of forcing player movement.

    They tinkered with the edges of the CC approach and learned enough from past issues to force the other provinces to spend it on player pathways - where they failed for years.

    I'll leave you to talk out of both sides of your mouth on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,342 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    If your point is that circa €2m per year being redirected to the development pathways is “tinkering with the edges” I think it’s fair to say we’re not going to agree.

    But it seems like we’re both happy with the outcome of the review then, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    We've come a long way in 30 years all the same…

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    There was a meeting in Cardiff. Brinkmanship didn’t butter any parsnips with Kiernan or WRU president Tasker Watkins, who told the Anglo-French axis that if they had no opposition other than each other to play there would be little or no television money. The French and English stepped back into line.

    Next on the “to-do” list was to repatriate players. There were often a dozen or more players plying their trade in England in a 20-man Ireland squad.

    Browne said: “Eventually, there was an acceptance that two full-time players [in a provincial squad] wasn’t going to do it. So, we went up to six.

    ………………………………………….

    The IRFU had committees for everything. He argued that you couldn’t operate an organisation overseeing a professional sport on the basis of a committee-only structure. The pro and amateur wings of Irish sport came under the auspices of one committee. At the time there was an argument that they had more interest in the amateur side.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2025/08/25/how-the-irfu-was-dragged-kicking-and-screaming-into-the-professional-era/

    A lot done.

    More to do.

    Trivia: Name the NZ Player in the picture.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,287 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭FtD v2




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,287 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    great shout, i should have copped that myself being a 'landers fan!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    It is.

    Here is the former Munakata Sanix Blues club man again at a RWC 4 years later.

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    …and old Otago mucker of Brent Pope.

    Post edited by ionadnapóca on


  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,287 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    the exceptional va'aiga tuigamala on the RHS there too, some player he was !! RIP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,714 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Sam Prendergast back to his usual tricks last night.

    Worst defender I have ever seen

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Spain to Play an Ireland A team as part of the Spanish teams autumn Internationals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,593 ✭✭✭✭phog


    More of this please. Odd though that Ireland are touring during our own AIs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,297 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    same day as Ireland V Japan which is when you’d expect the fringe players to get a test run out, so could be a very weak team



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Cant always expect the tier2s to travel and good for us to get an extra game to look at wider squad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,593 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Where are you reading my expectations of Tier 2 countries travelling.

    Last year there was a discussion around having an A game in Belfast or Limerick and the replies here was because the coaching ticket wanted it near the national squad, hence why I said it was odd that Ireland are touring.

    Would you agree that's it not a regular thing to have a national team playing at home while an A squad goes on tour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Pity it's only a single A game. They've found it difficult to perform in one-off games with the scratch nature of it. The last two A games were no shows and comprehensive defeats, and the first game against the Maori in 2022 was disappointing whereas they managed to turn things around in the second fixture. And there are no provincial games for non-internationals to play in for a whole month during the AIs.

    I guess if the main squad looks something like:

    Looseheads: Andrew Porter, Jack Boyle, Michael Milne

    Hookers: Dan Sheehan, Ronan Kelleher, Gus McCarthy, Tom Stewart

    Tightheads: Tadhg Furlong, Finlay Bealham, Thomas Clarkson, Tom O'Toole

    Locks: Tadhg Beirne, Joe McCarthy, James Ryan, Cormac Izuchukwu, Thomas Ahern

    Blindsides: Ryan Baird, Cian Prendergast

    Opensides: Josh van der Flier, Alex Kendellen/Nick Timoney

    No. 8s: Caelan Doris, Jack Conan, Gavin Coombes

    Scrumhalves: Jamison Gibson-Park, Craig Casey, Ben Murphy, Caolin Blade

    Outhalves: Sam Prendergast, Jack Crowley, Ciarán Frawley

    Left wings: James Lowe, Jacob Stockdale

    Inside centres: Bundee Aki, Stuart McCloskey, Hugh Gavin

    Outside centres: Garry Ringrose, Robbie Henshaw

    Right wings: Mack Hansen, Tommy O’Brien, Calvin Nash

    Fullbacks: Jamie Osborne, Jimmy O’Brien

    (Gee, Henshaw really looks out of place there. I'd say all of Farrell, Hume and Postlethwaite would be better options at 13)

    …the A squad might be along the lines of:

    Looseheads: Jeremy Loughman, Paddy McCarthy, Alex Usanov

    Hookers: Diarmuid Barron, Stephen Smyth, Lee Barron

    Tightheads: Jack Aungier, Sam Illo, Scott Wilson

    Locks: Darragh Murray, Evan O'Connell, Diarmuid Mangan, Harry Sheridan

    Blindside: Max Deegan

    Openside: Nick Timoney/Alex Kendellen

    No. 8s: Sean Jansen, Brian Gleeson

    Scrumhalves: Nathan Doak, Fintan Gunne, Matthew Devine

    Outhalves: Harry Byrne, Jack Murphy

    Left wings: Shayne Bolton, Diarmuid Kilgallen

    Inside centres: Cathal Forde, Charlie Tector

    Outside centres: Jude Postlethwaite, James Hume

    Right wing: Zac Ward

    Fullbacks: Michael Lowry, Shane Daly

    plus maybe an extra backrower, like Soroka or Boyle or Hodnett or McCann.

    Maybe one or two players would drop down from the main squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Casey being injured isn’t good hopefully not a bad strain to the thigh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Mr Tickle


    Yeah he needs some some meaningful game time for Ireland. It really felt like last year was going to be his chance to jump ahead of Murray during the 6 nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭daithi7


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    The Sunday Times headlines from last Sunday the 5/10/'25, sum up the Irish Outhalf debate succinctly for me:

    Munster 23 Cardiff 20

    'Crowley gives Munster the crucial edge in tight contest'

    Bulls 39 Leinster 31

    'Prendergast decisions costly for Leinster in mad defeat'

    This accurately reflects the quality gap between the two 10s imho. I just hope that Ireland realise this soon.... cos they've already been stupidly backing the wrong guy at the expense of the better 10 for far too long, including a lost 6Ns already, imho!!

    Post edited by daithi7 on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no quality gap between the two 10s. They simply have vastly different strengths and weaknesses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,572 ✭✭✭daithi7


    That's your opinion, it's not a fact, yet you're trying to state it as fact. Kindly try to learn the difference.

    P.s. it's a quality thing imho ;)



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