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Served notice of termination, now what?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The "letting agent" works for a broker.

    It's the broker whom I've had some long standing personal differences with, which may have come to a head recently.

    I challenged an authoritative body he was formerly a member of, at one point the chair of, on a very sensitive subject. Namely housing allocation in this very sensitive time as to who gets what.

    I heavily and vehemently questioned their competence and in some respects, fitness to practice.

    I had done this in the past, but never as forthrightly as recently.

    Isn't this you?

    Don't sound like a model tenant by any stretch of the imagination…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    This is something that happened entirely external to tenancy.

    If you have a row with your boss at work or have an issue completely unrelated to your tenancy, does that make you a "nightmare" tenant?

    Of course not.

    It's called "life", these things happen.

    Point is I'm a model tenant and someone sticking their beak into my business external to tenancy, in no way reflects on my status or value pertaining to the latter.

    If I had broken the law or done something truly questionable……… that's a different matter, but that absolutely wasn't the case.

    I simply took a defiant point of view on a matter pertaining to a local authority issue, which may have impacted on the sensibilities of a former member of said authority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Honestly you just sound completely paranoid, if any of it is actually true.

    I wouldn't be getting into heated arguments, multiple times by your own admission, with anyone who was in anyway connected to the property that I was renting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Fian


    Be sensible and look for a new place.

    You do not have to wait until the termination date, once you have been given notice you can leave if you find another property before the expiry of the notice period. So you should try to start a new rent at the beginning of a new month in advance of the termination date.

    Letting agents do not have a relationship with landlords that would enable your letting agent to persuade him to go through the hassle of evicting you just out of personal spite. They work for the landlord, they're not their consiglieri. There is no reality to thinking the letting agent has orchestrated this to get at you, it is a coincidence that it happened shortly after the falling out. Or maybe the letting agent knew this was coming, was pissed off with you for a while and finally stopped biting their tongue because they knew you were getting a termination notice anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    It's all true, and maybe the concept of "paranoia" could be considered, sure.

    But I've been flim-flammed and messed about so long and so hard by real estate brokers and rental agents in the past………. I once had a land lord try to dupe me out of a months rent and full deposit…… I challenged him and won………. the list goes on and on.

    It's hard not to consider all the possibilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Why have you been messed about so long and hard in the past if you're a model tenant?

    If the list goes on and on, let us know what's happened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,267 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The RTB have a habit of losing or not dealing with paperwork. They have tied themselves up in knots. Because they are so inefficient it important to register every documentation you send them, that is what most Landlords and their agents do. When you show them the registration receipts they find the documentation

    It's the middle of the holiday season I expect it will take 2-3 months to clear backlogs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭JVince


    Literally going by your own comments on the other thread you had. You'd be labeled as "troublesome".

    I'll quote as in the post above where you questioned "housing allocation in this very sensitive time as to who gets what."

    What business is it of yours to question "housing allocation". And then to question "competency" and "fitness to practice" of someone. Effectively you were very defamatory if things were as you wrote.

    As a two property landlord where I have superb tenants and charge a fair rent - you literally come across as a troublesome type and most LL's will do a background check and social media check (no social media can be a red flag) and it would be easy to see that its best to avoid your application as there are dozens of others to choose from.

    Whether you are or are not a potentially troublesome tenant is neither her nor there - its the perception you have given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Quick question OP? Is your property registered with the RTB? If not do nothing wait for the agent to kick you out then tell them they need to register and follow the RTB process.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    What business is of it mine?

    The property I'm currently in as well as multiple other properties in this block have been and continue to be vandalized and treated as a playground by members of adjacent council properties.

    That's what business of mine it is.

    I feel the very real effects of poor to literally zero regulatory oversight on members of council allocated properties, crime, drugs, constant disturbance, wanton vandalism.

    "Background check"?

    As in the series of excellent prior references I submitted upon application? And the fact I've been in numerous residences with this brokerage over a number of years, with a flawless tenancy history?

    Oh that background check…….. yeah……… that really gives cause for concern.

    They're looking for my social media? Would a LL be impressed by watching me deadlift 250 kgs on tiktok, or seeing me hanging out at the beach with hotties on instagram?

    So yes, I have challenged local authorities on some very real issues that effect the entire community but that everyone else is too scared to speak out about, as quite frankly, is my civil right to do so.

    If an agent felt it appropriate to turf me out because of that, then I feel it appropriate to scrutinize their genuine rationale and ensure it's valid and above board.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    What the RTB said to me was they'd send confirmation of receipt of termination notice in 10 to 14 days.

    What you're saying is, it could take up to three months.

    If that's the case, I'll accept that………. only I have 90 days to dispute an invalid notice, which could make things difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭JVince


    It not the challenge - it that you questioned competence and suggested someone wasn't fit for office - both defamatory in nature

    and here you come across as argumentative and looking for an angle to get more time than you are entitled to. Hoping someone will give you another angle to attack the process your landlord followed.

    and if you really think social media is just about YOUR page or YOUR profile, you don't understand how it works.

    as I said, you give the impression of a troublesome tenant. that's not saying you are, its simply the impression you are giving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    One of the places I rent doesn't show up but it is registered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    You can still ask the RTB if its registered and the tenant will have been sent a yearly statement from the RTB stating its registered and the registration number.

    No point the tenant telling the landlord they need to register, far better for the landlord to find out for themselves and for the tenant to gain another full notice period. Then he leaves it the full 90 days to find some excuse to have a hearing over the second notice of termination.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭meijin


    you don't need to wait for the confirmation from RTB

    just file the dispute before 90 days is up

    alternatively you can do nothing, and wait for LL to start a dispute for overholding

    in any case, look for a new place, don't wait until the last moment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    The point I am making is you can't see a property that is registered on the website AND RTB couldn't find it. It is registered and they haven't fixed even though it was pointed out to them 5 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    You have to pay yearly to register a rented property so are you are saying the registration has been paid every year for the last 5 years?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    OP? You do know that all the letting agents are old school boys. They all went to the same schools and joined the same golf clubs and attend the same rugby games? You do know even when they are in competition with each other they are still all able to meet each other and exchanging references and what not? Even beyond the office when they are down in pub and one asks the other "whats this guy like that was your tenant?" …… You know beyond GDPR, they can still enquire with no paper trail.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    Of course.

    Funny story, years ago I went to let an apartment, had the deposit down, all cleared.

    I had gone into the Heat and Energy office, unsure the official title, just to double check the energy rating was valid.

    Later that day the agent rang me saying the deal was off, landlord selected another tenant and my deposit was refunded, and then mentioned they "saw me coming out of the Heat and Energy office earliey".

    You believe that?

    Basically, no sooner had I left the office, than that employee had called the letting agency to let them know a tenant was snooping around asking about BER ratings.

    I have several more stories such as this so yes, they communicate extensively with one another.

    Which is of course why my suspicion was raised after lodging a complaint about local authority housing management, then 9 days later I receive a notice of termination.

    GDPR etc. aside, all those brokers and councillors are going to be pals as you outlined, and will relay this info without restraint.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    If I file a dispute, would that tick off the rental agent and/or landlord?

    Make me look bad or problematic if they were considering me for future rentals?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭meijin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Of course it will p!ss them off. You only do it if you don't have any other options and to hang on to the tenancy until you can find somewhere else.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    You are being problematic. You've got copious amount of time to vacate the property. At this stage I wonder are there other reasons you're being asked to vacate.

    You won't get a reference from the landlord if you pursue this route, why would you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭ebbsy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭JVince


    I wish people would stop posting bullsh1t

    It is NOT "same day".

    The rtb should be SENT a copy at the "same time".

    Rtb regard anything received within 7 days as "same time".

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    There is no heat and energy office.
    So no, I personally don’t believe that.

    The BER of a property is logged with the SEAI which you can check online.

    There is absolutely no way in hell that the SEAI are sharing this info with anyone so you are deluded in that sense.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    Exactly that was my question.

    And the internet is a wonderful place to speculate.

    It had been my operating hypothesis that cause the estate agency owner is a sensitive alpha-male head, some of my extra-curricular activities such as second guessing local authority competence (for which he was formerly the chair) may have irked him.

    That's seeming less likely, but it's been 32 days and I still have no notice from the RTB that they've received a termination document.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    I just said I didn't know the official title and quite frankly, wasn't bothered to look it up.

    The office that determine BER ratings.

    What do you think is the probability the letting agent just happened to be passing the BER ratings office, at the exact time I was leaving? (which was during working hours)

    From umpteen other experiences and common sense, I can easily conclude brokers and property managers all stay in contact and have the chat and give each other the low down on tenancy applicants.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,544 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    At this stage I think you're just playing games. You have no intention of moving. You can't find a loophole with the landlord and now throwing it to the rtb to get you time to overstay. You're the type of nightmare tenant that makes landlords up and sell. You think they owe you a place to stay in their property. Your game play may get you a month or two extra, but guarantee you'll be out on your ear after the sheriff gets notice to evict you. And no agency or landlord will touch you.

    Play fair, find yourself someplace else before you burn all your bridges.

    .



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