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Dublin GAA Discussion Thread: Mod Note - No 'Dublin Dominance' chat allowed!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I would agree with you it was one of those “not as bad as the scoreline suggested”. I think the team just need to learn to be smarter in game. There was plenty of good bits throughout. And the most important part was Dublin kept going.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭Seadin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I was out of the country today and couldn't follow it, never expected Dublin to win but I thought it would be closer than that. Really disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,639 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The half forwards and midfield need to realise that if they let uncontested ball or man roam down the pitch it leads to bad things. Need to be tougher to beat IMO. Either stop the play with a tackle or make the foul.

    The entire team should learn from today as there was a bit of naivety about how they let Cork play.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,176 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Hard luck yesterday. Thrashings can happen to any team - Cork got one in a final not too long ago. Playing in front of a full house in an All Ireland semi final will have been great for experience for Dublin, the lead up etc but it will also be one to forget. It raises the profile of hurling in Dublin though which can only be a good thing going forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭corny


    That's easier said than done though. They had no choice in the matter. The Cork midfield 8 are operating at a different level as athletes and when they apply themselves (they had more gears left in them too) there's not much to be done. O'Mahony and Dalton made it look ridiculous. Quicker to every ball and winning every physical contest. I think i'm right in saying it was O'Mahony who went for a loose ball under the Hogan stand with two Dublin players, there was another Cork player there too. All four arrived on their feet. 2 seconds later the two Dublin lads were on their arses and penalised for lying on the ball. It was tragically funny. They just couldn't hold their ground against him.

    Their forwards are the same. Always out in front with pace and able to create the separation from the man. Sure Patrick Horgan turned David Lucey and torched him for the fifth goal. Pace did him. Lucey is 19. Horgan is 37. What do you do about that? They keep making the runs too. They don't let up. Brian Hayes is probably our fastest player and he couldn't keep pace with Robbie O'Flynn. He tried hard too. O'Flynn doesn't even start for them! Dublin won't get anywhere if they don't address this.

    Not to say that Cork weren't thoroughly impressive in their use of the ball if any Cork person wants to pick a fight with me for saying they're all brawn. The brawn is really, really important though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,639 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    But you have to take the psychological level into account as well though. Than ran up a big score after 15 minutes and everything just became easier for them. That's the naivety I'm talking about. Once Cork got their tails up it was plain sailing for them.

    I don't believe for one second that a team that went toe to toe this season with Kilkenny and Limerick this year aren't physical enough. That just doesn't make sense. They need the street smarts to get to the next level.and that comes with experience, which yesterday will hopefully give them.

    If Cork face Kilkenny you can bet your life they won't get that much space/time, and Kilkenny aren't exactly blessed with pace throughout their team either.

    Anyway, despite the result it's been a.good year for the hurlers and lots to build on. Crummie back amd hopefully get EOD into the mix and we'll see how next season goes.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭corny


    I kind of agree with the first bit. With 65,000 fans cheering them on too… the touch of the Dublin lads deserts them and the Cork players start playing champagne stuff. It's definitely a factor.

    However, that doesn't address how they built the lead in the first place. In big games when the game is a contest early doors teams routinely take it away from us. They do it by winning the personal battles all over the pitch. We never have an answer.

    Cork won everything in their half back line because they were physically dominant in that area not because they were enjoying themselves. Connolly, Horgan and Hayes put their men to the sword in how they covered the ground, again not because their tails were up.

    Games can take on different complexions. I think you can read nothing into the Limerick game for example because we all know Limerick are capable of so much more. I'll put it to you like this though… every team that has won the All Ireland over the last 20 years or more were littered with men who were physically imposing and gifted athletes. How many Dublin players fit into that category? All relative of course. They are all way above the norm but compared to their peers i mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,639 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That's exactly the point I'm making. Our half forwards get dominated and the defense is put under the pump. Happens a lot in big games. We either rejig the half forwards line and get lads in with that extra physicality or we play an extra man deeper to account for their inability to win ball.

    CCrummie Amd EOD are 2 extremely physical players and can stand on their own against anyone. Chrost, EID was probably the best fullback in the country before he had a brain fart amd went over to the bigger ball.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    thats basically what happened yesterday , another thing i noticed yesterday was when the teams were doing the walk around the ground before the game , the camera zoomed in on cian o'sullivan as he passed a sea of red up on hill 16 , the people of dublin really need to get behind this team too , that was a really poor showing yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    no but it was 2/3rds cork yesterday , if it was football it wouldn't have been



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,281 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Was at the game on Saturday. No way were we that much better on scoreline.

    Ye still scored 2-21 and ye should scored one if not two more goals.

    I thought yer full forward line played well.

    Cork were better yes, but we got few breaks.

    To beat Limerick with 14 men so hold heads up.

    Would love see Dublin become a All Ireland contender. Hope they stick at it.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    @windy shepard henderson As for the crowd I thought the Dublin turnout was way bigger than normal. The core Dublin hurling support is about 4/5 thousand. Of diehard friendly lunatics. How can I put it? The Dublin hurling support is a “nice” crowd. Very polite, not normally vocal. It was unusual that “come on you boys in blue” was echoing around CP when Currie was taking a free early on. Again it gave me immense pride. That is my county! Hurling against the big guns! In an AI Semi, first since 2013.

    The fair weather football support never have “hurling” on their radar. Just a fact.

    So by Dublin hurling standards it was more than decent support. The fact is it is only in the last 20 years that the DCB treated hurling seriously. I view Dublin hurling like a newly formed country, finding its feet.

    That massive Cork support (which is a hurling mad county in a famine) would always dwarf the Dublin crowd.

    it is few days now since the hurling match v Cork. I am still real proud of what Dublin hurling has achieved. Felt like I was witnessed history, a landmark moment. Even in defeat.

    The gospel of hurling has definitely spread in Dublin. All those development squads in North County Dublin definitely wiorked: Now there is hurling in Na Fianna (Drumcondra), Barrog (Kilbarrack) and Clontarf, (Blanchardstown, Castleknock) Brigiids, Vincent’s - Marino, Finglas - Erin’s Isle.etc etc, These were hurling wilderness not so long ago. That is amazing achievement and non-Dublin people will never understand what an achievement that was/is. If you said Dublin would have decent hurlers in Finglas and Kilbarrack. Even ten years ago. I probably would have looked at you, like you were away with the fairies! Those are “soccer” areas with the GAA clubs competing against the “foreign” code. I would have said.

    I got to be honest the team walking in the parade I got a burst of pride, thinking all those Northside clubs that emerged in the recent years. During the parade thinking “this is magic”!

    Look at the work Dublin hurling has done!? Beating Limerick, getting to an AI Semi, Na Fianna (a Northside club!) winning the Ai club.

    Dublin hurling is no longer just three southside clubs Kilmacud, Boden, Cuala. Who backboned Dalo’s sides. Over a decade ago. Much more solid base of clubs now for Dublin hurling.

    I am still proud Dublin “had a go” against Cork. Dublin kept coming back despite Cork goals. Kept coming back again. Didn’t lie down. Yes, it was probably naive. But it At least showed heart, and fearlessness.
    Dublin used to struggle for goals and forwards remember those days that was only a few years ago!? “Dublin need forwards” was the worry. Well Dublin have forwards now. Put up a decent score against a good Cork side and caused their backline problems. Especially early on. Arguably, were unlucky not to get more goals.

    The next thing for Naill Ó Ceallacháin (who is already a Dublin GAA legend for what he did with Na Fianna) is to get the balance between defence and attack right. Can’t be pushing up the field like mad eejits, all the time.

    To me, that is only a team that needs to learn and be smarter. The tools are there now. Doesn’t feel like a “hammering” to me. I view it as part as Dublin’s hurling education. Ready to start getting the next step. Hurling cuteness. That can be learnt. But only by playing the top counties, in big games.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,639 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    https://x.com/ColmnStanley1/status/1941913171200991710?t=pj2rNywHpnIB5DMQqdeAzA&s=19

    Another example of the complete double standard in the GAA. We miss our best player for the biggest game of the season and a clear strike to the head is a yellow here. Honest to christ something needs to change

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,639 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    TThat's A straight red if we do it, no matter what stage of the league or championship. Downey has two bites of the cherry for free there.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was going to say the key to that was "early on". But then realised Crummy was sent off real early in the Limerick match. Limerick fan beside me even said it was harsh red.

    But I think is like all things the refs subconsciously call against the weaker sides more. Dublin need to start winning more hurling matches, and will get the decisions. That Wexford fan on the main hurling GAA page is still sore, about the goal given to Dublin v Wexford, that shouldn't have been.

    In a way it shows to me that Dublin are now a bigger hurling team than Wexford, and the calls are more likely to go for Dublin than against Dublin. When playing Wexford. Just human nature.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Think we are talking ourselves up a bit regarding hurling ,we have been well beaten to end our championship hopes for the last few years yet there is this idea that we can give Leinster a right go ,we seem a good bit away yet from doing that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    RIP Sean Doherty, 1974 all Ireland winning captain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,871 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Kerry good today but Tyrone's performance really puts Dublin's performance the last day into perspective. Tyrone are really no great shakes...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Today reinforced my view that we were better off out ,we would more than likely been well beaten by Kerry and they proberly wouldn't have missed those goal chances against us .New manager has big job on his hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Disagree. Dublin are better than what the last two seasons have shown. They have been poorly coached and as group they have looked lathergic. New management will help. They are miles a better team than Tyrone.



  • Subscribers Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    major difference was finishing, even though Kerry’s wasn’t great, Tyrone’s was poor, they missed the 2 pointers they scored against us and gave up even more goal chances than they did against us, Kerry missed a pile but still had the quality of Clifford in the end which then got the rest of the team going. Don’t think we were going to compete with Kerry but should have easily beaten Tyrone on the day with better finishing. A fit Con would have been all the difference, Kerry would have struggled without Clifford’s bit of quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I agree Kerry would have destroyed Dublin. Tyrone beat Dublin twice this year one when Dublin were going for a league final. And Tyrone were relegated. And the other in the AI SF. Tyrone did not play exceptionally both times. Dublin were all over the shop. The real irony is the best win in the league. Was the smash and grab v Kerry In Tralee. Leaving Kerry wondering how they lost. Wasn’t it O’Dell that caught fire at the end?

    The proof will be what Ger Brennan does with this side. Bar two fortunate away wins v Kerry in Tralee League and Galway in Salthill. This Dublin team have had the same issues all year. It should be obvious how to fix them for Brennan. But there seems to be a cultural mindset issue. The attitude is very timid easy ozy. Can’t shoot/afraid to shoot.No aggression.That to me is maddening.

    The other sickening thing is how Meath turned it around in just three years. They have power and aggression throughout. Loads of two point options and completely outmuscled Dublin in Portlaoise. That was embarrassing.

    If Ger Brennan can’t find new lads with the right attitude he will want to bring a good psychologist with him. I think Kilkenny sums up the problem of this side great when the pace is slow and given space. Like in Salthill.
    But at the same time slows up play takes the momentum away. Recycling is his first instinct. Great under the old rules. But not what Dublin needs in direct aggressive games. Let’s not forget Dessie benched the slow lads v Mayo AI QF 2023. So in fairness that worked for Farrell and he was smart enough to spot it.

    I think he only reverted to starting Kilkenny because of lack of other options. No Fenton McCarthy etc?
    He also had the balls to start O’Leary v Tyrone the last day. Who looked very good but the issues seem to be with the “old guard” . Cluxton past it. Costello wildly inconsistent. Great for goals not for two pointers. Con wasn’t fit. He was carrying the side. Bugler inconsistent.

    The bit that annoyed me re Dessie why did he go the “direct route” even trying EOD as full forward in the league. Only to abandon the idea completely, and revert to the recycling slow stuff?

    Are you telling me Dublin GAA does not produce aggressive “units” anymore? Look at the Hetherton’s hurling and ladies football!

    Or was it the players not following Dessie’s instructions? Remember one post match he said “we thought we prepared well, but didn’t play like we planned”.

    The whole situation is very frustrating as a Dublin fan. The answers seem basic. And yet the same issues remain. It can’t be THAT difficult to fix surely? Decent full back line, decent half back line. It is going from back to front that is the issue.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    Couldn’t agree more with this. We would have lost yesterday too.
    Only because our finishing is worse than poor. It can be fixed.
    Right management and coaches All Ireland semi final bare minimum next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    We need a reset next year with a new manager and some changes to the squad.Its not going to be easy to just improve our finishing we need improved shooters to achieve that .A few of the lads this year that have been around for awhile are just not at the level we need .A couple might step away and others will be a year older so not going to improve. I hope with the club champo coming up a management team is lined up and ready to look for suitable lads for next year .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,222 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Shouldn't the new manager be in position before the club championship starts? He can then start scouting for new talent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Would have thought so



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