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Kitty Holland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,566 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Barely mentioned, RTÉ and Irish Times silent, protecting one of their own.

    It was the second item on the RTE News app the day it happened

    The death of Jotta was first.

    It would have been the headline otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Oh yeah she is a nasty piece of work. Sure she will shill for the soft paycheque of the BBC. She tried to smear a good man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I vividly remember the she was #JustOutForARun hashtag was very trendy all across social media until an arrest was made. There were column inches filled with how the responsibility for such a crime required that Irish Men needed to change their behaviour. Ah yes, the morally superior holier than thous preaching from upon a high - par for the course I guess. Alas, at the end of that dark long winter week, it wasn't an Irish man and the eternally outraged SJWs had pinned their flag of blame on the wrong mast.


    Anyone with the audacity to complain about the 'politicisation of this case' ought to revisit that shameful week where the Irish Media entertained every bed wetter with an axe to grind against the Irish Man and gave them free reign to wax lyrical - strongly suggesting that almost every one of those Irish Men was a closet misogynist at best, a ticking timebomb potential rapist and murder at worst. The blatant assault on the mental health of the vast majority of outstandingly good men of Ireland, single men, married men and family men was one of the darkest weeks I have ever witnessed in this fair Isle - and I'm no Spring Chicken.


    I have never witnessed such an assault on such a scale that hit home and hit hard into every adult person in this country - be they male or female. Almost every Irish male during that dark week thought with eternal dread - is that what everyone thinks of me? I'm a walking ticking timebomb of a rapist, a murderer? Almost every Irish female during that long week thought with eternal dread - is that what every man is, an eventual or potential rapist or murderer? Is it just a matter of time before I'm next?


    The level of physiological 'warfare' ambushed by supposed 'fellow citizens' in the form of journalists of this country in such a short space of time was sickeningly breathtaking. Astoundingly heart-wrenching and gut filleting. How could a class of people, supposedly trusted to speak truth to power and uphold professionalism in the journalism trade effectively turn on most of half of the population and scare most of the other half, while feeding them pure lies? The very people they request to pay for 'news' and 'views'!

    What the collective Irish media inflicted on the Irish population in such a short space of time following the horrific murder of Aisling Murphy is deserving of a place alongside the worst deeds ever inflicted on our peoples whether those deeds were inflicted by State or Church, it makes no difference. So, to those who cry 'just pure hypocrisy' and accuse those who they oppose politically of 'politicisation of the issue' - try take a damn long hard look in the mirror.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,650 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've no idea who this is. Surely if she's done something improper, the logical thing to do would be to report it to the relevant authorities rather than here, no?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭The 1922 Committee


    She will be as unwelcome on live media as Nell McCafferty who also libeled people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Google her,she well known in Ireland,loves the auld court system.

    The OP iz alluding to a recent court case,She libeled a young man and the bcc had to pay out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭SupaCat95




  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It's time the real victims received some sympathy. Irish men have been wronged for too long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Not sure that we need the victim mentality but we need rabid third wave feminists to chill out and back off for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,904 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The decent thing for her to do would be to publicly apologise to Ryan Casey for smearing his character.

    Seemingly the BBC assumed liability for her remarks, I'm not sure if any of the settlement that was agreed will impact her or strangely just the British tax payer. You'd have to imagine she won't be asked to comment on anything else on the BBC in future, although their policies, in light of recent controversies, might well be very much aligned.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Yeah!!! Time for the women to calm down and leave all the men alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's interesting that the coverage of this settlement didn't identify Kitty Holland as the person that made those remarks.

    It seems a rather odd fact to exclude when they have no issues with giving other background to the story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    I blame the parents. Poor Kitty hadn't a chance. Genuinely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Yes it was vomit inducing. I remember listening to BoC and he was having a conversation with Katie Hannon.

    We as men must learn from this and what we as men need to do to change our mindset. Blah blah blah bullsh1t.

    Also that pri5k Darcy was worse on his show. God he is an odious little cretin.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It was outrageous. Women like Aisling and other women who get attacked always getting loads of airtime about how awful it is but they never give any airtime to the struggles of Irish men!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,680 ✭✭✭circadian


    Your response is pathetic. Maybe a response highlighting the person and topic being discussed would be more mature.

    I had a quick look into this current case and I don't think she done anything outrageously wrong. She has an opinion on what Murphy's husband had said. Whether you agree with her position is up to you but I don't see anything defamatory. Insensitive? Yeah, possibly and depends on your point of view.

    Regarding Waters, he made libelous claims against her character and reporting which is definitely something that can come before the courts.

    The BBC paying out for her statements is their decision, they could have gone to court with the claim and I suspect they could have actually won it but at the same time they didn't have the appetite for it and paid out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    There were column inches filled with how the responsibility for such a crime required that Irish Men needed to change their behaviour.


    The letter you linked to as an example of the point you were making didn’t mention Irish men specifically at all though? I don’t remember any articles mentioning Irish men specifically, they mentioned men, or males, but not specifically Irish men.

    I have never witnessed such an assault on such a scale that hit home and hit hard into every adult person in this country - be they male or female. Almost every Irish male during that dark week thought with eternal dread - is that what everyone thinks of me? I'm a walking ticking timebomb of a rapist, a murderer? Almost every Irish female during that long week thought with eternal dread - is that what every man is, an eventual or potential rapist or murderer? Is it just a matter of time before I'm next?


    That kind of rhetoric is on a par with Ms. Holland’s BS -

    Ms Holland said she understood Mr Casey was heartbroken but said there were “elements that were not good” in his comments. She said the far right had “latched onto” them but were ignoring all the cases of violence against women by white, Irish men.

    And indeed Mr. Casey’s BS -

    Mr Casey said: “It just sickens me to the core that someone can come to this country, be fully supported in terms of social housing, social welfare, and free medical care for over 10 years — over 10 years — never hold down a legitimate job and never once contribute to society in any way shape or form [and] can commit such a horrendous, evil act of incomprehensible violence on such a beautiful, loving and talented person who in fact, worked for the State, educating the next generation and represented everything that is good about Irish society.

    “I feel like this country is no longer the country that Ashling and I grew up in and has officially lost its innocence when a crime of this magnitude can be perpetrated in broad daylight. This country needs to wake up; this time things have got to change.”


    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/bbc-hires-top-law-firm-for-defamation-case-taken-by-boyfriend-of-ashling-murphy/a94717926.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    He was her boyfriend not husband.Unless you were personally a party to the BBc legal team your speculation on the BBC defence stategy is immaterial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭prunudo


    While liability has been claimed by BBC and technically the case closed, what is interesting although hardly surprising is how, by and large the Irish media establishment have kept Holland's name away from any reporting they've made on the settlement. As John McGuirk said in his weekly podcast, if it was him or any other right leaning journalist, who had caused the BBC to admit liability, his name would have been mentioned in nearly every paragraph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    “It’s understood that the BBC was happy to clarify that it didn’t consider Mr Casey a criminal or racist. They also said they don’t consider him to be guilty of or attempting to incite hatred through his victim impact statement.”


    The thing is, Holland did spread that lie.


    Interestingly, she has no problem shilling on the BBC Nolan show, a sleeveen who is a known loyalist mouthpiece and often credited with promoting apparent legal scholar Jamie Bryson and the like.

    Kitty Holland was previously on that show using slogans like “Catholic idiots” re : abortion, when she should knows damn well the loaded nature of those terms.


    Worth noting that it is the likes of Holland, the Irish Times and the third wave feminists who refuse to publicise the anti-victim justice system that we have in the is country, instead they opt to change the subject.


    She just wanted to promote herself and make a good bit of money, just like when she accused Savita Hallapanavar’s Muslim Egyptian obstetrician of working for the Pope … presumably.
    A parasite of the lowest order.

    No shame whatsoever.


    As it happens, I felt Ryan Casey’s victim impact statement was aptly put, uncontroversial, from the heart, accurate and well written - something Holland could only ever aspire to.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    I recall when she had the gall to sue John Waters it was headline news, with footage of her smiling coming from court.


    (For the record, I despise Gript)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Irish Times a rag these days. I don’t believe there was ever an apology from Ingle after her disgusting article on boys being abused in the school next door to hers.

    Something seriously amiss there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    For all their moralising, they had a bidding war with the Indo for Kevin Myers, Eoghan Harris and Anne Harris were regulars, Conor O’Brien was their arch west Brit spewing nonsense.


    IT was always a rag, O’Toole rebranding them as a sort of Guardian falling flat on its face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Photobox


    100% it was a particularly nasty and sneering article, I remember being shocked reading it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Reading that this killer was holed up with a.wife and brothers and their lives and 14 kids at the states expense doesn't seem.to have bothered too.many.

    NNow he's in.our prison system.at pur expense and his useless family having lied for him will probably not serve time due to said kids.

    Have no idea who.kitty Holland is but will be googling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    She seems to be an ivory tower social justice warrior, residing in Ranelagh and not liking to be challenged to much or having to debate with the “other” side. Posh dinner party opinions on society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭littlefeet


    No, she is the real deal. It's indoctrination. Have a look at who her parents were, she is stuck in a kind of 70s 80s analysis of Irish society, eveything has long since moved on. The Irish Times has some great columnists, but it can be dire as well seems to have lost its way a long time ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭baxterooneydoody


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    While it's riveting that you think you're being edgy by stating the ever cool mantra of pretending you don't know her, a simple Google will tell you who she is (even if you genuinely don't know her). A response like that is just a sad reflection of the type of person you really are.

    You mention reporting "it". Just what do you want to report? And to who? can you clarify what is to report after a court case found against her and the BBC.

    Finally, even though you don't know her (whatever the fcuk you think adding that self important trope has anything to do with the thread) should we in advance, before posting any further discussions, pass them by you to make sure you're up to date about the person we'll be discussing.

    Please let is know as we would all hate to think you may know fcuk all about what anyone else is talking about in case you feel left out. If it makes you feel any better I also didn't know who she was but my ability for self education seems to be marginally better than yours.

    Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 450 ✭✭baxterooneydoody




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Thinking about this, it's no wonder people are losing faith in mainstream media. The context of the original discussion on "the view" if I recall correctly was around whether or not it was correct for the media to omit reporting on the contents of Casey's victim impact statement. The same media then refuses to name Holland as key participant in this libel action.

    It's a really poor look from the self styled "trusted sources".



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