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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I know …..I’m not expecting much new …costs cutting is inportant but only so much they can be cut ….some of stuff in recent articles in journal re meal feeding etc is some crap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    Terrible rubbish altogether being printed cows are well worth feeding this year ..... they have to get a certain level either way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭older by the day




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Moorepark will be preaching the low cost grass part. But no mention of the low milk yields they are achieving on the best land in the country. Was it 18 litres according to the Journal last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Mine are doing 23ltr on kg5 know plenty gd operators on 18 no meal if you calved late id be higher mooaepk probably calve very early now high dim.Need always look at ull pic percebtafe hf old cows etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    What's lost on them is if cull cow prices hold in the factory, regardless of their marginal milk theroy, that's fully recouped when selling culls as theirs easily a 400-700 loss if you've cows underfleshed versus fleshed when selling, our trying to fatten



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    AAlso Alot of yards have stagnated. In the 10 years since quota abolition many dairy farmers have pushed their setup to the limit of the grass based system on land available to them and now with nitrates turning the screw there is no where to go and with costs rising real incomes are dropping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭yewdairy


    The balance of this is that Irish dairy farms have the lowest borrowing in Europe and have the highest net margin.

    Only thing Ireland has a competitive advantage on is our ability to grow grass whether you choose to feed 500kg/cow or 2t/cow is a secondary argument.

    Every other input Irish farms are at a disadvantage. Ireland is a high cost place to do business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    Are farmers around Europe driving 30 year old tractors or working 80 hours a week.

    They might have high debt but they have fancy gear and from what I have seen they have fancy, spotless yards too. Presume they have more staff and time off?

    The "free" family labour and the "free" land are Irelands biggest advantage. Grass second or third maybe... the 500kg cow on 500kg nuts never materialised. You don't even hear about those cows anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Just arrived at Moore Park. Big crowds here already. Main things seem to be DBI, shortage of dairy heifers, sexed semen, meal usage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya they have moved on to scolding lads for feeding over a ton ...... big difference between the two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭yewdairy


    Go and visit Dutch farms yourself, they are every bit as dependent on farm labour and work just as long of hours.

    Any dairy farmer with any bit of cop on isn't working 80 hours and driving a 30 year old tractor.

    we had a discussion a few weeks ago about companies because farms could not stay as sole traders because there is too much money been made.

    There is an obsession in Ireland about playing the poor mouth, and if there is any bit of positivity we have to pretend we are are stone broke. The reality is there is serious money been make on Irish dairy farms at the moment.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    To be fair a large part of the reason Irish farms are lower in debt is they get them free.any Irish operation that is buying or renting land in a large way is creaking in the grass based system. Many can't fund the infrastructure required by regulation or labour efficiency and many are not paying their bills.very fews Irish operation would be able to buy themselves and fund the stock and infrastructure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    Any dairy farmer with any bit of cop on isn't working 80 hours and driving a 30 year old tractor.

    😅🤭🫣🤫🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya look i do wonder what some people are thinking 🤔 when they post a message like that. I suppose it's part of this drivel of who can say they spent less hours in the yard. I know people unrelated to agriculture that are well north of 80 hours a week........ your the boss and the employer not the employee like



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    @K.G. 💯 this is the reality two lads beside me have gotten 50ish acres apiece in last year or so ...... they hadn't the sheds for the numbers they had previously soooooo......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    On a side note my God but boards is fucked for using



  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    the software is absolutely terrible

    i would find it hard to put any weight in what teagasc have said in the last 5 years

    they are just a propaganda arm now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭yewdairy


    80 hours a week is more than 11hours a day every day of the week. That's unsustainable farming or any other industry.

    It's also completely self defeating because those types of hours lead to terrible decision making due to fatigue and burnout.

    There is endless amounts of studies that show productivity collapses after 55-60 hours. Easy spent all day in the yard and achieve very little. You can work long hours for brief periods but even that is questionable.

    So yeah anyone working 80 hours a week has zero cop on



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭cosatron


    and what about the 30 year old tractor, ive a 96 massey ferguson for topping and fertlising should i look to trade in next year or would i being deemed as having little cop on also when i hit 80 hours during calving season will i tell the new born calf that im finished for the week as i hit the 80 hour mark and see you next week or ill have little cop on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    102-acre North Cork farm guiding €9,500/acre https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/arid-41660891.html

    Cheap Land...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    Alot depends on how you measure your hours I guess. I worked 12 hour shifts for years. I used to count the commute as part of my day so they were 14 hour days.

    I get up at 5:30 now and finish at 7 in the evening. 7 days a week and a few hours off on a Sunday. Tipping away mostly and not clocking on/off for breaks, school runs, going to town, paperwork, visiting parents.

    I know lads that could commute to work the same as me in 30 mins. The 35 miles always took me an hour. Some lads really could do with a stopwatch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    I'd Say throw in the towel altogether. I've a 1970s david brown here, and another 30 year old tractor.

    Started farming 8 years ago. Bought my own stock and machinery. Doubled slurry storage, doubled stock numbers, bought 50 acres. That's where all my wages went I guess. Spending 200k out of cashflow this year into farm development and I think I'll have it all done for a while. I must be doing it all wrong, but there's not much money left in my bank account from this highly profitable farming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    just looked at milk recording results from last week

    My winter cows are at 29.7 litres at 250 days in lactation


    these are made up of 52% heifers


    something seriously wrong with 18 litres



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Shortage of dairy heifers, was a self-fulfilling prohecy, nitrates issues, crazy land rental prices, massive increaes in heifer rearing costs always was going to lead to a sharp fall off in replacements on farm coupled with teagac pushing sex semen to generate replacements and everything else to beef...

    Theirs easily a 150-200k drop in irish dairy herd numbers coming next year and the year after without any more hiccups like bluetongue hitting etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭yewdairy


    The 96 Massey is the only tractor/loader in the yard?

    My point is the majority of dairy farms can afford newer tractors if they want because there is plenty of money to be made milking cows

    80 hours a few times in the spring will happen on farms it doesn't make it sustainable in the long term. So again if any owner operator is consistently working 80 hours a week, they have zero cop on and no clue how to run a sustainable buisness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,280 ✭✭✭✭893bet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    there is but you’re spending it all. No less than here or a lot of places. I’ve 40k spent here so far on slats and a new water heater. There’s a shed to go up over the tank and concrete around it aswell as rejigging scrapers and some extra cubicles , I don’t have any change out of 100k. Couldn’t be bothered going to the bank for it. They’ll only give me the run around



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    Yep, plenty money but it all goes back in. I don't like paying interest to the banks if i can avoid it. Should be finished spending after this year hopefully.

    I'd say there is more than one pretend farmer on here. Or else they inherited a perfect setup and are in no way improving or expanding.



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