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Should I leave the company whatsapp group?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Janet Cooper


    Well I don't mind the fact that he's on it, but it's the way he's behaving that is the problem.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I'm unclear is this a group officially operated and moderated by the company that you are required to be a member of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    No, according to the OP.

    Wud the company not just avoid responsibility as it's an unofficial group?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well then best get out. These things almost always turn toxic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,258 ✭✭✭talla10


    Be wary OP. Whilst all companies will have a Bullying complaint mechanism it's extremely difficult if not impossible to prove a bullying case. The Supreme Court case of Ruffley V Board of Management St Anne's School [2017] 20 ELR 61 sets the threshold incredibly, some would say impossibly high, to prove a case.

    By all means if you feel strongly enough go ahead and best of luck but just make sure you are fully aware of any possible consequence.

     



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,976 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I never knew WhatsApp groups for work were a thing.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well it is especially difficult if it is happening outside the workplace…. from what I have been told a couple of posts back this is a group of people with a common interest, they work for the same employer, not something sanctioned or operated by the employer.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It's just one of may applications used this way - discord, slack, telegram etc….

    In my opinion telegram is particularly dangerous. It is very easy to interact with it programmatically and I have come across a couple of situations where companies us it to inform dev ops and staff about system issues! It is always dangerous to publish such information, but on a Russian owned platform….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,976 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    We use slack. But that's a dedicated platform for corporate communications.

    WhatsApp chats on personal devices is not something I would have expected.

    I suppose everyone can't be paying for platforms like slack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Janet Cooper


    So I left. Unusually there was silence on the group for about 10 days and it made me wonder if the admin would be able to silence posts just for me. I said to myself I'll wait until there's just a few regular posts and that I'd then leave.

    So what happened is I had two rest days and hadn't viewed it, then when I came back I chose one of the nice company vehicles in the yard… which we're allowed. But it turned out that it was meant to be kept for training a new staff member. The admin had posted this to the group but I hadn't seen it. Later a supervisor asked if I was aware that I wasn't meant to take it and I told him that I wasn't. He said "not to worry". I then looked at the group and I saw the admin ask "who took the vanhool?". I chose that moment to leave the group. He whatsapped me that evening to say don't take it tomorrow because he needed it. I replied to say not to contact me and that I only take instructions from supervisors. I then blocked him on whatsapp and also blocked him the regular way too.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Good for you! Somethings, you just have to 'train' the people around you as to how you want them to interact with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Janet Cooper


    One of the fellas on that group has now told me, that since I've left that there's been some talk on it about me and that a guy (lets pretend) called john tried to stand up for me, saying that ppl shudn't be mentioning my name and threatening to show a screenshot to me. I asked this guy to show me it on his phone but he wudn't. He said he didn't want to get involved and to ask john instead. I don't know if I know or trust john well enough to ask him for the screenshot. Pisses me off bcoz he shudn't have opened his mouth in the first place. This guy's english isn't very good so he could have got it wrong when he viewed what john apparently posted.

    I'd love to see tho it because if it was the union rep that said sumthing about me I'd have enough to claim bullying on him given what's happened before. But I'd prefer if he'd just kept his mouth shut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,099 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No such thing should exist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Group chats of any description are a disaster waiting to happen

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Janet Cooper


    I'd imagine they're very common. It may be harder to avoid them in certain lines of work. It may be harder if you're a new recruit and you're the only one not on it. In this case at least there's nothing pressuring me to be on it. I've been on them in the past and I haven't had a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Janet Cooper


    After I'd left the group I was told by someone called bence (who I wouldn't consider reliable) that someone posted something about me on the group and that a guy called Sean (to my surprise) stood up for me by saying that if they keep mentioning my name that he'll screen shoot it and send it to me. Bence asked me "did you get the screenshot from Sean?". I'd no idea what he was talking about and when I asked him to show me on his phone he refused... saying he didn't want to get involved!! It pissed me off as I'd have preferred if he hadn't opened his mouth at all. I didn't want to go texting Sean as I don't know him very well and wouldn't trust him. I can only imagine how needy I'd look texting him for help and how it could backfire.

    I did ask another person though to show me what was said on the group one day, and after seeing it I'm glad I didn't ask Sean. Because the guy who tipped me off obviously didn't pick up on the sarcasm as his English isn't good. On the day I took the Vanhool (after I'd left group) Sean pretended to those on the group that he was going to contact me to say not to take the Vanhool the next day too... as it was also needed that day Sean then posted again on the group saying that I had asked him to screen shoot the group whenever my name was mentioned! In reality he'd never been on to me at all. The follow up comment from the union rep was "Ffs". And the first comment made by the lead bully after I'd left the group was "John [my name], who else would have **** taken it". This implies to others that I'm a clown. Ironically I probably would've seen the post not to take that bus if I hadn't been avoiding looking at the group for the sake of my mental health.

    What annoys me more is that Sean has been out sick for nearly a month now, and there he is posting **** about me while I'm working full time. The union rep is also only part time. I don't know if I've enough on any one particular person, but what's going on is not right. That rep had already stabbed me in the back twice when I needed representation back in December, so this was like the final straw form me. I must admit I have had some dark thoughts about getting revenge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,144 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think you need to ignore this he said/she said stuff and try concentrate on your actual work and report directly to your line manager. The company shouldn’t be tolerating this carry on for 5 minutes either. Make it clear if someone wants to communicate directly it’s either by direct phone, text message or email- like normal communication within an organisation



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