General Star Trek thread

breezy1985 · 18-02-2025 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123184530#Comment_123184530

It's worth the risk of someone coming with new ideas. Everything live action except SNW has been absolutely crap and I am even getting pretty bored with SNW. 7 on that horrid Enterprise G with all the TNG kids sounds like muck especially if it's headed by that memberberry merchant Matalas.

There has been loads of absolutely brilliant sci-fi recently but almost all based on successful books which is a bit of a worry. Andor is the only one I can think of that wasn't based on novels.

eadrom · 19-02-2025 01:02AM

they need to stop thinking that Star Trek is Spock, Kirk, Picard, Data, the Enterprise etc.

Is there even a single one of these new shows that isn’t painfully tied down to existing characters and familiar places? Maybe Lower Decks comes closest in a way but not really, with so many deliberate (albeit kinda funny, mostly) mentions and callbacks per episode.

It’s so boring and uninspired.

Rawr · 19-02-2025 06:08AM

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I believe it’s worth giving Trek a break, even with the risk. I was kind of feeling that way near the very end of the Rick Berman era. Trek helmed by him (although often still better than the current slate of Trek) was getting very tired post 2000. After DS9 ended, Voyager became a bit of a slogg and although Enterprise did improve, at the time it felt like them recycling their TNG greatest hits, with a pre-TOS theme. Trek needed a rest back then, and it could probably use one now.

To eadrom’s point above, I’d agree and would suggest that a new Trek should be it’s own thing. Discovery nearly did that, until it jumped down the Spock/TOS rabbit hole. During the hight of the TNG era we had that with DS9 and VOY, and it would be nice to see them try to make a new Trek adventure with new characters that are written well. I fear that Starfleet Academy definitely isn’t that, and I feel that a break might help give a new slate of writers the space they need to put some new life into the franchise. If they know what they are doing of course.

liamtech · 19-02-2025 02:35PM

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Id agree about Sci Fi shows based on books. For me the only current thing im invested in is For All Mankind, but if im honest, im viewing it as a prequel to The Expanse

I keep crossing my fingers waiting for a season 7 of the Expanse, or even just a spin off movie - iv resisted reading the books past book seven, because when it comes to this show - i prefer to watch, then read

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186243#Comment_123186243

I agree with you in principle, and i always thought Star Trek should have just jumped further into maybe the 26th Century, and just had an Enterprise exploring strange new galaxies or what not - Unfortunitely the only example we have of a show with entirely new characters, is Disco - and that did NOT work out.

It really depends on who they hire, and what agenda the writers have. If their goal is to create original Star Trek content, it could work like a charm

If their goal is to use the franchise as a delivery mechanism for their political opinions. It will simply fail. And we will end up with preachy nonsensical stories of courage in the face of prejudice, where only the B Plot is actual sci fi

What drives me mad, is that i am a very left wing person, whos views wouldnt be a million miles away from any of the liberal views expressed in Disco. I just hated watching a show that prioritized the Left Wing messaging over actual story telling. And i would really worry about an entirely new show, with no connections to existing characters. That an the previously discussed Burnham centric nature of the show.

Imagine a Klingon TV show, set during the post next gen era - it could be AWESOME. Maybe the Klingons expand out, and encounter the Hirojen or a similar threat. Political and military conflict with the Post Super Nova Romulans, a break-away faction of Jem'Hadar? Awesome!!!!

But in todays creative environment, they are just as likely to focus the plot on LGBTQ issues on Qunos, or a debate on whether the Klingon High Command should pay reparations for past imperial expansion. Is there enough representation by Albino Dwarf Klingons on the High Council!!???

ugh

Stark · 19-02-2025 02:45PM

Id agree about Sci Fi shows based on books. For me the only current thing im invested in is For All Mankind, but if im honest, im viewing it as a prequel to The Expanse

"For all mankind" is the sci-fi show I've loved the most since "The Expanse" ended.

TheValeyard · 19-02-2025 07:46PM

Just give us a ship, let us know the crew, send her off on a grand adventure and we'd fcuking love it

Rawr · 20-02-2025 09:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123188803#Comment_123188803

Kirk: "All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by."

eadrom · 20-02-2025 01:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123188803#Comment_123188803

This is it.

And honestly, set it in the 24th century. Or even the 23rd. Space is supposed to be big, not a close-nit family. My worry about going to much further into the future than the TNG era is that the tech has gotten a lot silly, they've just kinda messed that up and I'd rather not need to deal with it.

But space is huge! The 24th century Trek is still an interesting place. Put a ship on the other side of the known universe without a galaxy-level threat every season and we'd have no need to ever bump up against the Enterprise, DS9, or Voyager. Just a new ship, new crew, new things to explore, with crazy cool modern production values and vfx and alien designs.

Re-capture the spirit of Star Trek, leave alone the characters and places we've flogged to death ten times already.

Spear · 26-02-2025 09:48AM

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/roberto-orci-dead-star-trek-transformers-1236320536/

Roberto Orci has died from kidney disease at the age of 51. He wrote the 2009 reboot movie, but also created the likes of Fringe and Sleepy Hollow.

AMKC · 26-02-2025 08:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210667#Comment_123210667

Wow that's sad and young.

May he Rest in Peace.

Spear · 26-02-2025 08:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123213143#Comment_123213143

His age is quite surprising, I had assumed he was much older. Hits like Fringe were 17 years ago, so he was pretty successful by his early thirties already. He was a showrunner on Hercules and Xena at 24 before that.

TheValeyard · 27-02-2025 11:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123213283#Comment_123213283

Really liked Fringe. Very clever show.

fritzelly · 27-02-2025 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123215146#Comment_123215146

Currently doing a rewatch, just on to season 3 - still holds up all these years later, clues are there on a second rewatch about Peter

AMKC · 27-02-2025 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123215146#Comment_123215146

Never seen it :(

TheValeyard · 27-02-2025 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123216737#Comment_123216737

Dude, you're happy to endlessly rewatch TNG, DS9.

Give Fringe a go. You'll love it.

fritzelly · 27-02-2025 09:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123217069#Comment_123217069

Seconded, will love it if you like X Files stuff but with an overarching story

27-02-2025 11:12PM

John Noble at his best

AMKC · 28-02-2025 07:13AM

So there is a new audio series on the way,

https://trekmovie.com/2025/02/27/surprise-production-has-wrapped-on-star-trek-khan-audio-series-with-naveen-andrews-in-title-role/

Sounds interesting.

28-02-2025 10:10AM

Naveen Andrews has a very good voice, to be fair

eadrom · 28-02-2025 01:35PM

Star Trek audio series?! 🤩🥳

About Khan. 😩😖😭

AMKC · 02-03-2025 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123218640#Comment_123218640

Yep. A pity we are not getting the actual Khan series. Could have been good.

TheValeyard · 03-03-2025 09:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123226206#Comment_123226206

Especially since Nicholas Meyer early version of it

eadrom · 03-03-2025 11:18AM

I'd be happier just to never hear or see reference to that character again, tbh.

breezy1985 · 03-03-2025 11:22AM

Can anyone write anything about new characters these days ?

AMKC · 03-03-2025 09:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123227136#Comment_123227136

Why?

eadrom · 03-03-2025 10:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123228934#Comment_123228934

It’s just been overdone. He was villain of the week in an episode and a movie. It was a well written script and a great performance – 40 years ago! – but I’ve no interest in finding out how he got his whip or whatever.

It makes Star Trek feel like a small little place about a handful of characters that we’ve all seen plenty of already, instead of an expansive idea of what the future and science and exploration might have in store for us.

breezy1985 · 04-03-2025 07:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123229120#Comment_123229120

There was already a whole series of graphic novels covering his "marooned" period too.

LambshankRedemption · 04-03-2025 11:28AM

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Completely agree.

Today the earth has 7 billion people. How many planets are in the federation? Vulcans, romulans, Klingons, ferengi, andorians, bajorans, cardassians and I am ommitting loads more. If they all have about the same population as we have now, that's 49 billion possible characters. There is plenty of scope for new stories. Why rehash the old ones?