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Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    If you can't discern from watching then I can't aid you.

    I give up! Eric O is the new Ox!!!

    Hthat?ow's



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    It's very simple dub if it's so obvious then explain how he's poor. Don't just reply saying just watch games. You can either say why the player is poor or admit you haven't a notion. If you can't 3xplqin how someone is poor then how do you even know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    he hasn’t the power to match decent scrummagers and gets turned in far, far too easily., or pops up, or collapses. It’s why he was not getting his contract renewed until Murphy became head coach. He wanted him as he is a slightly better carrier than Warwick.


    Bealham completely done him over on Saturday.


    He is a poor scrummaging loosehead prop and most people would agree. Warwick is the better scrummager, but not as good around the park. IMO, Warwick starts for Ulster every time and O’Sullivan can come on for the 25 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    LO can you explain why O'Sullivan is a good scrummage? If the repeated dominance by Bealhham isn't enough or the fact he got yanked at half time, or his constant collapsing doesn't paint a picture... He was dominated this weekend. Warwick was an improvement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    How dare you point out the obvious Big al.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    That's at least an argument. Dub isn't capable of that. I disagree about him Being poor. He isn't and doesn't have to be a very powerful scrummager. That hasn't ever been his game. But he's good technically. He doesn't get turned in or collapses far too easily. His bind is good and on set he's fine. Possibly against very very strong tightheads he gets in bother but how often is he up against them

    Bealham completely doing him can't and shouldn't be seen as a major issue. Finland does that to lot more looseheads than people give him credit for.

    You aren't capable of doing it. So stop saying players are crap or whatever else and then not actually say why. Bealham dominating a player in the scrum doesn't mean your poor at scrummaging. That isn't a reason. Constant collapsing. No he doesn't at least not more proportionally than any other players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    He's a poor scrummager! Ulsters are not a good scrimmaging side. Loose head is an area of weakness for Ulsters. O'Sullivan is a loose head. I watch Ulsters quite a lot and It's rare to see them dominate the set piece. I'd suggest that this issue is part and parcel of having substandard props. I'd guess Ulsters fans held their breath pre scrums last week. However, Warwick came in and provided a better platform and the team won.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    YoYou Still don't get it. You just say something and expect people to treat it as gospel. Al at least backed his points up. Something you are incapable of. You do it everywhere. Say someone is shite and don't actually say why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Jesus you're a dope. If O'Sullivan collapsing, giving away penalties wasn't enough for you, how about they were willing to let him go last season? How come he isn't in the running for Ireland? Bealhham murdered him.

    I'll leave it be. My take is I'Sullivan is a poor scrummager. If you disagree, fine.

    Mod: warning.

    Post edited by aloooof on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Just watching the game on YouTube.

    Random thoughts.

    10:22 and 10:47 - massive congratulations on Josh Murphy for his workrate on being able to hurl himself into rucks offside twice in a row. I actually have no real complaint about that. It's often what the game is. But I thought Mack Hansen should know, so he can unclench and dry his tears away.

    I actually thought Brace was genuinely good - clear, decisive - in everything except the scrums. Not that I thought he got any calls wrong, or was unfair (Connacht obviously notably dominant) but he just let the whole process completely slow the game down.

    I was sceptical about the Jack Murphy love after the game. But some of his kicking was absolutely howitzer-like, and his general play was really very good. I genuinely think he could have scored a try on 77:32. I appreciate that the sensible, strategic thing to do was chip back inside, but he looked like he could have smoked Cordero comfortably. Listening to a few podcasts etc afterwards, it sounds like he has the widest skillset of any of our 10s.

    We nullified the Connacht maul completely. Not just with weight or heft but smarts.

    The Connacht maul at 65:50 - McCormick and Timoney have the ball slowed and McCann is brilliant on the edge of the maul, shouting at the ref - "can I close in? Can I go for it?" Absolutely putting in Brace's head that he is just waiting to be legal to get us our ball. McCann has the highest rugby IQ of any young Ulster backrow since Pollock, I think.

    McNabney was great. He's shaping into a monster, and 6'5" one that can be lifted in the lineout. Let folk down South endlessly pore over and dissect Gleeson and Edogbo, and McNabney can just work away up to fulfil his potential, without all the hype.

    Doak was 100% PotM. He was fast in delivery, beautiful kicking game and a canny shooter in defence, really rattling Blade and Murphy repeatedly. I think/hope Murphy is the making of him. He's told him to speed up the bloody service (and referenced that publically), and Doak has everything else.

    Our ideal back five in the scrum has Sheridan in second row and Izzy in the backrow. That was a good performance from Treadwell against Connacht, but he's been eclipsed by Sheridan for the last year and a half. Sheridan's issue is that he is abrasive, tough, aggressive but 6'4". Not as tall as the vast majority of second rows. And not as explosive as Izzy. But Sherry is excellent, full of aggro, and skilled. Certainly if Izzy and A. N. Other backrow can jump (and McCann can and McNabney seems to be able to), Sheridan is a first choice second row for me. (I think he's being currently kept on the bench as a "finisher". I'm not sure that's a great plan. Although it arguably did work on Saturday.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    McNabney is fantastic. The back row were really good. It was a great match to watch, if a bit sloppy. I thought Bundee was great for Connacht.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭big-al


    Agree with everything there. Also pleasantly surprised at the pace shown from a jack Murphy. quick for a small man!!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Leave out the insults. A player doesn't have to be in contention for ireland to be a good player. Bealham murdering a loosehead. You keep bringing this up as a slight. Why. Bealhams a very good acrummager. It isn't near the slight you're making it out to be. I would have left it there if you had once shown any ounce of technical analysis. But you are incapable of that. On this issue or any other in the sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Technically Eric is just not that good. Strength wise he doesn't fill the bill. A one time capped international who has drifted off into the lower dimensions of rugby. A player who will compete with the lower tiered league players. Who was once mighty for Trinity... Is now a middling type player.

    I must agree that your analysis and the massive depth of knowledge and understanding that consumes you, is blinding, dazzling and leaves us mere plebs quivering and aghast. Every day I eagerly anticipate your musings on everything from the price of turnips to dark mysteries of the oceans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,254 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Mod: Dubinusa and Lost Ormond, let’s drop it please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Timoney signed until 2007.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Back to the future....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Any update on Baloucoune?

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Scythica


    So i got bored and decided to check what our Xmas/NYE game in 2007 lineup was. Surprised at how few I could actually remember!

    1. Bryan Young, 2. Rory Best, 3. Simon Best,

    4. Justin Harrison, 5. Matt McCullough,

    6. Neil Best, 7. Kieron Dawson, 8. Roger Wilson,

    9. Isaac Boss,

    10. David Humphreys,

    11. Andrew Trimble,

    12. Paul Steinmetz, 13. Kevin Maggs,

    14. Tommy Bowe

    15. Mark Bartholomeusz.

    Replacements:

    16. Paul Shields (for R. Best),

    17. Justin Fitzpatrick (for B. Young),

    18. Tim Barker (for Harrison),

    19. Neil McMillan (for Dawson),

    20. Kieran Campbell (for Boss),

    21. Paddy Wallace (for Humphreys),

    22. Paul McKenzie (for Maggs).

    This team lost 20-12 to leinster

    5th in the Celtic League



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    O'Toole banned for six matches (the Connacht match included).

    Will miss the first two 6N games, and Leicester, Exeter and Zebre for us.

    Time for Wilson to step up and shine.



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,703 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    6 weeks for that seems harsh when you consider they went in with a top end sanction to start with. I get they're trying to stamp out these clear outs but that seems incredibly inconsistent and overly punitive. I think they can send a message without resorting to nonsensical bans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Can he not go to tackling school and have it reduced. If it was Owen farrell they'd succeed in getting the length of ban reduced somehow by whatever means possible and have him available for the 6 nations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    He received a red card against Toulouse last year, which seems to have played a part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Nankivell is out for an as yet undetermined amount of time, he sustained a hamstring injury from the side-on tackle that TOT got sent off for, so 6 weeks ban considering the injured player may also miss 6 weeks doesn't seem too harsh to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I don't think tying the ban to the outcome of any injury is sensible. So much of it is up to chance.

    There will be things that are close to innocuous that cause a huge amount of damage. Equally, cynical or petulant dangerous actions that don't hurt players will be brushed off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭Locke_Lamora


    Nonsensical to let an injury determine the length of a ban, people are always overly emotional when they make that argument. It would be a nightmare to litigate - how to we determine to what extent a previous injury worsened it?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,272 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The fact the player was injured does factor into the calculation. It's why the entry point was 10 weeks. His previous red doesn't seem to have been considered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Oh - it said in the 42 article that his previous red was why four weeks was the maximum mark-down he could have from the ten weeks entry level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,114 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    From the URC statement:

    "Due to the player receiving another red card for foul play in 2022, not all mitigating factors were applied."



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,997 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    You can never tie a ban length to time an injured player is out due to foul play. So many other potential factors at play makes it unworkable.



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