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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    A defeat but I actually said to the young fella before kick-off that I’d take a 2 nil defeat if the team put in a decent performance and showed that they are coming around to Rubin’s system.

    They have only had a few days training with him as a full squad.Yet you could see a clear structure there while defending,especially in the first half.

    Ugarte was very good in his first game against a top class midfield.He tired in second half as he was having to do Bruno’s work as well because he went awol.

    Yoro was very composed for a lad coming on into a cauldron of an atmosphere,made two great interceptions.

    While he probably should have done better in defending his area on first goal Hoijland held the ball up well whenever it came to him from a decent pass.He needs to be more aggressive when going for headers against the CB’s from Onana long balls.

    I think Rubin erred in starting Garnacho,Mount on the left and Amad on the right might have been able to create more from the off.

    IMO this time next year we will have a well drilled cohesive team under the new gaffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,275 ✭✭✭✭Nalz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,771 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I hate that cliche shïtê "anywhere else it's a foul but not here, he needs to be stronger". It's either a foul or it's not, being stronger has the square root of fook all to do with it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,902 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    TBF the performance was good and the result not bad.

    The fact that Arsenal kept doing the same thing a dozen times and we had zero idea how to even try to counter it was the really annoying part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭xtal191




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  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    True I'll just try follow the unofficial thread charter seeing as how there's a comment whenever I do either.

    "Not allowed to criticise Højlund"

    "Not allowed to praise Rashford"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,233 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Nobody is saying that anyone can't praise or criticise anyone. But your viewpoints on those 2 players are so one sided, nobody takes you seriously.

    I think it was the night we were 2-1 down against Bodo, all you could do was gloat about how we couldn't blame Rashford as he was on the bench. Then you pretty much disappeared when United won 3-2 thanks to 2 goals by Hojlund. I think he got one post from you begrudgingly giving him credit, then silence.

    It's OK. Be at peace with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Not allowed criticise Pogba

    Am allowed criticise Fellaini

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  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you actually read them they are not one sided.

    But that would take actually reading them and not just assuming that because I don't call a player a terrible human and the worst player on the team that I'm some die hard fan of him.

    If you really want to know I was at my work Christmas party that night and they turned off the 2nd half on the screen that I was watching so only seen snippets of the 2nd half.

    You just admitted I praised him when he did well. Do I need to make 20 posts doing it for it to count? I made one post laughing at the ridiculous situation of being 2-1 down to them and one after it saying that Højlund did well. Almost like you're talking absolute nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,316 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Some encouraging points from tonight, but as I've been saying for 3-4 years, we won't become anywhere near a top team while Bruno and Rashford are key players. Bruno is a fraud of a captain and Rashford is a fraud of a player.

    I'm hoping Amorim sees both for what they are, I'm optimistic that he will.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,233 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Lol, who's calling anyone a terrible human?

    Chill dude, it is what it is. You have an overstated irrational dislike of Hojlund and an overstated irrational defence mode towards Rashford.

    We all know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    everyone is open is fair and honest criticism.

    i will grant you that rashford is criticised more in recent years, while rasmus is afforded a certain level of leeway.

    the leeway for rasmus is evaporating though - same happened with rashford.

    when credit in the bank is spent (for whatever reason) then criticism will ensue, and thats fine.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've laid out my position on both of them previously.

    Have made points about what they do well and what they should do better on. I've not once argued that Rashford was playing well last season for instance. Yet I'm dogged in defence of him supposedly because it's just overwhelming nonsense hate watching everything he does.

    It's because there's an overwhelming positivity towards Højlund even when he's now on 1 goal in 9 league games and an overwhelming negativity towards Rashford that one is treated like a pot shot and one is treated like an iron defense. I should just accept it's the way online discourse has gone but it used to be better on this site at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    IMO its not cos there's an overwhelming positivity with rasmus - its a belief he can turn into a great striker. with lots of the fanbase, the belief in rashford is gone.

    and not without reason in fairness. lets assume rasmus continues with ~15 goals in all comps for the next 5 seasons - us fans will change our tune.

    basically people still believe in rasmus but not rashford.

    its a function of time, wages, and success; and prob a few other things i cant think of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭jeff bingham


    Sure is. Had to laugh at his machine gun celebration last week when scoring a tap in. Dunce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels




  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's really not. It's a pure pile on. Even when he was scoring goals every week (or like he has been the last couple) and literally petitioning the UK government to provide meals to kids in poverty there were the same people waiting in the wings for his form to turn.

    Look at last night. Is there a more mentioned player in this thread than him despite playing a third of a game that Arsenal were turning the screw in. This is despite no other attacker having an impact in the game, the best attempt coming from the right back.

    Point to someone thriving in the same conditions and I'll happily say it's all on the player. If he's still playing like last season in 2 months time well then it's not going to work out.

    Fact is the team looked better going forward with him and Zirkzee at the weekend than they have all season. Because they didn't plough through the best defense in the league off the bench they're immediately back to being rubbish. That's not rational discussion and is reactive to every 30 minutes of play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,902 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    This really does remind of the #Pogback glory days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,319 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    De Ligt, Mazraori and Ugarte have been fantastic signings, as Johnny Giles says that's 90% of being a manager.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,275 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    The Rashford stuff is over the top but not by much, let's be honest here.

    A few games in a row where he puts in hard graft, loses that sulk demeanor and maybe even a sprinkle of positive PR from his "camp" would go a long way (yes I hate myself for that last one but that's how the world works these days).

    Nobody is crucifying him because he's not scoring every week.

    It's quite obvious looking at him on the pitch he's not in a good place and not performing to the level required.

    I must admit the only time I spoke out loud watching the game last night was when he gave away that corner "fu'cking idiot" I believe I said. I stand by that :-)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Quags


    Fully agree, half the fanbase love him and other dislike him. Nobody knows what is going on with him personally and to me he looks like he doesn't enjoy playing football or maybe just doesn't like United. He has a contract till 2028 so either he improves or he could be sold, dont think the club will be letting players waste around anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    At one point in the first half we were at something like 65% possession. Granted we weren't doing a lot with it, but it was a serious novelty after the counter-attacking of OGS and the chaos-ball of Ten Hag.

    2 corners, 2 goals is pretty basic stuff though.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I imagine set pieces aren't being prioritised right now when there's so much to get everyone up to speed on and we've been terrible at them for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,275 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    The rules need to be enforced for corners. We got away with it for years when defending them. Smalling was so obvious with his jersey pulling, tripping and even pushing. Hardly ever gave away a pen.

    It's a joke tbh. Was almost a freeforall last night.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's no problem criticising him. He makes boneheaded plays in defence when he's back there quite regularly as he can't tackle and doesn't have a lot of experience in those areas.

    To be honest, if there were other players in attack who were playing better that him consistently I'd have no problem laying the blame at his door. The only player you could point to is Amad and that's in the last month or 2 and has coincided with Rashford looking better.

    Btw it's posts like this that actually can stimulate discussion.

    This and the previous one I can't quote just blatantly weirdly calling me a previous poster who I've been on the forum longer than and was actually on the other side of every debate to are not. But hey, you got your little internet numbers up guys 👍🏻



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    I won’t be too critical of yesterday’s performance. However, I will be critical of Arteta horrible, Tony Paulis like tactics. Why the ref allowed that carry on, was baffling.

    Arsenal couldn’t outplay us, so they resorted to Stoke like tactics. That’s a good sign IMO.

    Rashford, I think needs a move, for him and us.

    Things are just not going his way at all. You watch him these days, and every time he has the ball, you think this is another Alternative MUFC moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,220 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Not in a good place?

    Its been about 5 years of this now, at this point it has long become just "the place". This is what he is.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/man-utd-news-astana-goals-highlights-marcus-rashford-solskjaer-a9113146.html

    Marcus Rashford's form is not a concern to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, despite the striker's struggle for goals from open play.

    Rashford missed several gilt-edged chances in Manchester United's narrow 1-0 Europa League victory over Astana on Thursday night.

    The 21-year-old has only scored once from open play this season, with the other two of his three goals from the penalty spot.



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    17 goals and 8 assists in 31 appearances in the league that season at 21/22 years old. Seems a strange stick to beat him with that he had a bad game in September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,942 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    IMO, 21/22, and 23/24 are the seasons you can really question Rashford on - and unless he improves this season, I would add this season to the list.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭kyleman


    I can remember Rashford in his debut season. Played the games with a smile on his face loving life and football.

    I can remember him losing the ball on several occasions trying to get a shot off on goal but then sprinting back to win the ball back at the other end of the pitch and getting great applause for the same.

    I now look at his sour face and see he has absolutely no connection with the supporters that pay his wages, no love of football and a workrate and attitude that stinks the place out.

    I do wish him well but its best for everyone if he moves on as quickly as possible.

    His chance of becoming a Man Utd legend has come and gone and there is no way back.



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