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Waterford University discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Great newsfor Waterford/SETU and John Cummins if it comes off. Would most of any investment be in Kildalton?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Town is gone to the dogs lately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    Matt Shanahan saying that new vet school could be announced later today at the ploughing championships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    ATU and SETU have been awarded the new veterinarian courses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Reports are that it's Veterinary Medicine (not nursing) for both SETU and ATU. I have to say I'm really surprised at that. 80 graduates combined a year with the first intake next year. Really interested to see how this is going to go, not much time to get this up and running, staffed and accredited but if there's a will and the ambition to do it then it's great news for second level students interested in Vet. Hopefully the CAO points required for entry will come down as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Let's see the substance behind the announcement. Is the government committing € 50 million + in funding / resources to each of the two sites to develop two new vetinary colleges on a par with the current UCD one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,131 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think this is very welcome none the less. Yes it likely won’t be on a par with UCD but it’s something positive to grow and brings a lot of Kudos to SETU and also Kildalton college will benefit too. Congratulations to the college for landing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭invara


    Yay… a red letter day. No codicils today… just magic.

    Lots of nice problems to have in getting this moving as griffin100 suggests- but SETU have been here loads of times before- with each discipline's first degree, masters, and then PhD… there will be tears and teething problems, but we have it, will make it work and will build on it.

    Onwards. Thrilled for the team behind the bid, I hope they can transend SETU's strict hospitality rules and celebrate!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Very welcome news for all in WIT before it was SETU, all the resent staff and everyone who worked hard to provide excellent courses at Kildalton in Piltown over the years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    Very welcome indeed and I am surprised. I expected UL and SETU and ATU to be vet nursing. Possibly with UL pulling it the easiest and best solution was to grant both SETU and ATU the courses.

    Either way it is great news, the more courses the college can offer the better.

    It will be interesting to see how the 20 odd million will be spent.

    Listening to Cummins on the radio, teaching will take place at the Cork Road Campus, practical at Kildalton and placement at many of the vets across the region.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭imacman


    Sorry to rain on your parade but I have heard from a source in the college everything will be based in Kildalton with the students fully based out there.Any capital development and building will be in Kildalton as they have loads of room .There will be no development on the Waterford or Carlow campus related to this .So in reality it's a small niche course based in south Kilkenny accredited by SETU it's good for SETU s reputation but we are not going to see a new veterinary building on the Crystal site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I doubt it if anyone expected anything else? Anyone expecting a vet building on the glass site was dreaming. Its planned for STEM. VET is a small niche course based in Kildalton and will operate presumably as courses there have operated for years. Its good to have it on the SETU prospectus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭imacman


    Look it's a positive development and will look good in the prospectus. But there are no plans for a STEM building on the crystal site or any other SETU building. The have twenty-seven acres and no money to develop anything there. SETU needs capital investment if it's to grow, the Cork Road campus is dilapidated and they have science labs at 100% capacity with practicals sometimes timetabled up to 8 or 9 o clock at night to fit everyone in. Nothing has built there in 15 years and the college has suffered from that lack of investment

    My fear is this Veterinary course will be used by the government as a strawman to say they are serious about SETU and investing in it when it's just a tiny part of the real investment that needed. We have an engineering building that got planning in 2019 and now must go back to planning again because nothing has been done about it in the last 5 years. That shows how interested the government is in investing in the Waterford campus

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    so where is engineering taught at the moment at SETU……? In a few temp/portacabin type buildings at cork road …?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    100% agree. Vet willprobably have some modules on Cork Road and practicals etc in Piltown.The announcement is only a tiny portion of the SETU ask.

    Delivery has been awful although Mr Cummins thinks everything is wonderful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭invara


    40 students per year, 200 across all 5 years. Brain drain stands at 13,000, so a 1.5% dent in that mountain.

    SETU capital ask is 350m between 2023 and 2028, so 5.7% dent into that.

    So, a highly symbolic university programme, ritzy CAO points. Worth the fanfare yesterday, but the work of addressing the brain drain will be through large volume programmes in pharmacy, med, teacher training, and big investments in the competitivness of the existing infrastructure.

    So, great news. What is next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭imacman


    Yes, fair points, it just extremely hard not be cynical about any government announcement related to SETU in Waterford. We have heard so many promises (lies) and being burned so many times over the last 20 years with no real improvements. We need to see diggers on site and actual large capital investment on the Waterford campus but from the experience we have had up to now I am very doubtful that is going to happen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    It sounds like the theory will be planned on the cork road. For 40 students a year I wouldn't expect that we see a new building, anything practical required would be built in Kildalton.

    Chances are we see little to no development in Waterford based off the vet courses.

    I think it's great that they have been awarded this but an extra 40 students a year is nothing drastic, if they built a school of veterinarian and a animal hospital on site that would be a big deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,131 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    would they be just assimilated into existing Life sciences campus on the WIT campus? In UCD they’re separate. Still it’s hard to see why it wouldn’t bring and necessitate new or upgraded facilities



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    The fact they are planning on taking in students in 25/26 you would expected the places will be in an existing school, we will most likely see zero development



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭imacman


    Science Labs are at 100%+ capacity on the main campus with practical's being timetables into the evening and early morning to cope with demand .Hard to see how they can fit more courses in without some developemt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    Tbf the whole college is at 100% capacity, it's why the dome bar was lost, they are repurposing every available inch.

    Maybe they are hoping frisbys building will be complete in time and they will rent out a floor, who knows.

    The fact is if they really plan on having an intake in Sept 2025, we won't see anything built between now and then so they will have to be squeezed in somewhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭914


    The minister of agriculture was on WLR this morning and he said the course will be ready for intake for September 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭invara


    Pharmacy degree announced. Genuinely great news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Delighted to hear that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    Its been like that for years. Thought they would have that sorted by now .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    How can they sort anything without capital investment? None since 2006 or so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Dum_Dum_2


    Hi,

    I'm new around here. I have nephew who could like to study law at Waterford's new University, but I can't find the course on the website. My niece is also interested in studying medicine, but I can't find the link to the course on the website. Please advise. Thanks!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭invara


    https://www.setu.ie/courses/llb-bachelor-of-laws-hons is the law degree, a great course. Alas, we will have to wait for another Govt to have a medicine degree.



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