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I'm Constantly Going to Funerals Lately

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Celmullet


    I had a two-year period of this back in 2013-15, everyone was dropping like flies. It felt like I was at a funeral every other week. It calmed down since then. Deaths do seem to come in waves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭SwissToni


    Excess death rate in Ireland is well above average.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Think this thread needs to be moved towards conspiracy theories forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,105 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    A combination of (a) the increase in the absolute number of the population, and (b) the increase in the average age of that population.

    The table you've quoted compares the total number of deaths of two time periods e.g. in March 2023 there were 9.2% more deaths than than the average number of deaths in March from 2016-2019 - so if the average number of deaths in March 2016-2019 was 1,000, then the number of deaths in March 2023 was 1,092. But that doesn't take into account that there were more people in Ireland in March 2023 - our population is growing. There are simply more people in the country, you would expect more deaths.

    But population increase alone doesn't account for a 9.2% increase, which brings me to my next point: that population is also, on average, older. In 2016, people over 65 accounted for 13.3% of the population. In 2023, it was 15.3%. 83% of all deaths comes from the over-65 age group. As that group continues to make up a larger proportion of the population, total mortality figures will continue to increase.

    An increase in excess mortality is expected if your population is growing or getting older. Ours is doing both. The total number of deaths was projected to increase from around 30,000 in 2017 to around 38,500 in 2030 (based off the 2016 census, the projection based off the last census hasn't been released yet)

    Sources:

    [1] https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/fp-mpds/measuringmortalityusingpublicdatasources2019-2023october2019-june2023/

    [2] https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-mip/measuringirelandsprogress2022/society/

    (and if anyone gets a sense of déjà vu, yes, I did make the exact same post in response to the exact same chart last month)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭Caquas


    There is a long-standing weakness in Irish mortality statistics. It will be almost 6 months before anyone can give a definitive answer to the OP (by which time we may be in the midst of a new pandemic 🤧 or Putin will have dropped that weapon 🤯)

    The CSO was badly caught during the COVID pandemic - their stats were so out-dated they were no use to those deciding on lockdowns etc. . It takes doctors up to three months to register a death here (much longer if the Coroner is involved). The latest statistics on deaths in Ireland covers the first quarter of 2024 and was published at the end of August i.e. 8 months after the earliest deaths.

    In 2020, when Eurostat began tracking the pandemic, they told the CSO to get their finger out. The result was a series of statistics tracking notices in RIP.ie. Yeah, if you die in Ireland, your death will not be counted for many months unless someone happens to stick a notice on a commercial website.

    Here is the long explanation.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/fp-mpds/measuringmortalityusingpublicdatasources2019-2023october2019-june2023/

    Deaths in Ireland decreased by 6.3% compared to the same period in 2023. Past performance is not indicative of future results.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vs/vitalstatisticsfirstquarter2024/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    the cycle of life birth marriage death ,

    most people get married before they are 35 or never get married at all .

    to some extent life is predictable a series of fairly predictable stages



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    free grub. A few pints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Mannesmann


    Maybe it's the after effects of the Covid pandemic. I mean everyone has had it by now and it may have done some long term damage to those who seemed to have got over it and is now showing up as heart failures etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭ottolwinner


    the fall of a dry leaf is a warning to the green ones.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    If that was the case the Americans would have been wiped out by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The world has just become more adventurous, more options to travel, more everything since when our parents where young.


    Nobody would have even thought traveling the world or going to Oz for a year was possible 40 years ago.

    A car was a luxury. Take aways were once a year.

    It all adds up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I know at least 5 people who never had COVID .it sounds like you are over 40 and have loads of friends who are older than you .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,854 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Ahh, travel was a lot more adventurous pre Internet than it is now.

    Nobody would have even thought traveling the world or going to Oz for a year was possible 40 years ago.

    The number of Irish people in Oz/NZ 40+ years ago suggests otherwise.

    And young people from that side of the world were certainly coming to the UK for "the big OE" too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭ottolwinner


    I never had it either, don’t know anyone personally who hasn’t had it though.



  • Posts: 450 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh I'm not even acknowledging the comment about Putin. 😊

    And yes, I'm not claiming that there's a sudden pattern emerging - just that late 2023 up to weeks ago, there has been an unusually high number of deaths and terrible diagnoses among people who are/were young or nowhere near old. My own observations and those of others I know, and it has been unusual. Some loved ones of people close to me, some loved ones of people who are just acquaintances. I'm lucky that none affected me personally. This was never the case until the last ten months or so though, and I don't expect it to continue at that rate. I disagree that people start dying or getting seriously ill in such high numbers at such young ages. Certainly our 40s brings with it the deaths of parents. I didn't include my dad's friend dying recently at 79, or my friends' parents, in their 80s, having to go into care homes in recent years due to dementia - because that's awfully sad and difficult, but is unfortunately normal. However there were deaths and serious illnesses of far more young and middle aged people than elderly people, from what I personally observed, in 2024. I agree though: not the same for everyone.

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  • Posts: 450 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh I know. Just sharing with the OP that I've seen a similar situation, but not agreeing with the Putin thing 😊 or claiming that this is widespread for everyone. I think it has just been a freak year for some (and that's no doubt always been the case for individuals). I feel blessed that none of those tragedies affected me personally - some just acquaintances, but some people I'm close to (best friends, sister-in-law) and my heart is broken for them. Emotionally of course your worldview will be skewed.



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  • Posts: 450 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    For sure, but not young/relatively young people in high numbers, and all of a sudden.

    Not directed at you but some are saying "you're getting old", which is a little facetious imo. No I doubt people in their 70s are on Boards!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Posts: 450 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Only one of the people I knew, or knew of, who became ill - cancer, heart conditions - was unhealthy. He did have a very severe alcohol problem all right, God love him. He was 62 and the cancer got him quick.

    The two lads with heart conditions though - no health issues, sporty, didn't smoke, in their 40s. Seemed to be underlying. One is dead, one hanging in there. The woman who got a brain tumour was just turning 40 - very healthy. Just bad luck sometimes. Thankfully she's responding well to treatment. I wonder if leading a healthy lifestyle prior to cancer helps recovery significantly.

    I still wouldn't dismiss the concerns about awful diets though. There's bound to be a lot of undiagnosed diabetes. I mean the amount of sugar in even standard foods. And exercise has become very popular for many, but modern life is also conducive to extremely sedentary living.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭beachhead


    You must be old.The government has not issued any notices about excessive deaths.But they have about processed food consumption-sugar,salt.Smoking.Alcohol consumed and excess/unhealthy weight.Putin is doing a fine job a bit east of here with reducing the populations.He hasn't needed to use any bombs,seedings yet.I did see somewhere that the UK(I think)had an excess of deaths over births last year.Did that set your mind racing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,074 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That really wasn't my point but USA have 40% obesity rates which has loads of knock on health span impacts.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    You are maybe in your 50s. In my experience people start dying when they are over 58 depends on lifestyle eg did they drink or use drugs to excess or smoke too much or maybe they get ill

    One day you wake up and think I'm getting old you buy newspapers you look forward to a good Sunday dinner you don't keep up with all the latest music hits anymore oasis or blur is your favourite band

    You don't understand the latest gen z slang



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,804 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    One fella who died areound here last year donated his body to medical science.

    Not even sure if thats the right description but they leave the body overground and study how long it takes to become a pile of bones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,590 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Forensic science in that case. That research is quite important in figuring out timelines for murders / missing person cases and has almost certainly solved cases - shown a timeline is plausible etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It would need plenty of bodies to see what happened say on a beach, a road and a meadow. And starting the test at different times of the year. They would not all become a pile of bones over the same time period.

    This BBC piece from 2017 says that "body farms" are used by scientists in America and Australia. But not allowed in the UK. Are they allowed in Ireland?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41161423



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