Islamists planning terror attack at Taylor Swift Concert force cancellation

Just highlighting the fact its great to be able to see different opinions here and long may it continue. Your referring to other posters as racist,xenophobic sexist just because they have a different viewpoint is just childish

no, you made a sweeping statement saying xenophobia and sexism was rife in this thread , have you any examples of this xenophobia, sexism you take off ? just read the last 5 pages and there is nothing there that could be termed xenophobic, racist or sexist. you just made it up

Why not just quote some?

Speaking of western narcissism, It shows, even if you took at face value those who justify western actions on the basis of wanting to spread democracy, how misguided these military adventures are. Are we seeing this propaganda playing out again with Iran-if only the mullah were ousted Iran would have freedom and western democracy. When the reality is that a great many of these people may well reject wanting to live in a secular society. So post the mullahs you could well end up with another Iraq after Saddam- a backward regime, but the difference being they are our knuckle draggers.

As bad as the west may be, and has been, including modern brutality, and historic brutality including the likes of the British empire. Which scarred, starved and exiled Irish people.

And given there will be a top dog in this world, because that's what it always eventually boils down to.

Is there some other power, empire, ideology which would be better, and which you'd swap for, over western democracy.

One of the caliphates perhaps? Maybe Timur, or the Mongols. Mao? Modern Chinese communist-lite capitalism?

Once you're in power you can't have any rivals growing to the point where they can challenge you.

its whats happening, stamping out rivals v growing tech/innovation leads, one is putting the other at risk though. For instance if "the West" won the space race or energy race in modern terms it would seal the lead for a hundred years, but its up in the air (excuse the pun) as to which alliances will win? at this stage Britain and the EU look weak , the US maybe near bankrupted and forced to see things in regional terms instead of global.

Maybe.

But I was hoping that some of the right-ons in here might answer the question about which system of all those recorded through history they'd like best to live under.

A good quote I heard one time was along the lines of 'you're always going to live in a patriarchy, but you at least get to choose which one'.

Taylor Swift and the swifties don't seem to appreciate the western patriarchy much, maybe they'd like to try a different one.

People can argue the earth is flat, and they do, but most people realise they're just a bit thick. One would probably get the same reaction if they tried to argue that.

I never heard of left wing people try and restrit the rights and freedoms of Jewish people living in Ireland. Can't say the same about right wingers in Ireland when it comes to gay and trans people.

What on earth are you babbling about?? The buried is blaming every person belonging to a certain faith for international terrorism. That's idiotic in the extreme. How on earth do you leap to the conclusion that I'm blaming victims of terrorism. Give your head a shake.

 Just like we're all in the Ra.

I mean, the fact that, when given the chance, so many of those countries have voted for various Islamic extremists is a bit of a clue. Even in Northern Ireland, much less the south, Sinn Fein never got significant numbers of people elected until they adopted the peace process.

Several analysts are saying this is what's going to happen in Bangladesh now too - one of only a couple of Muslim-majority countries with a secular constitution

Who mentioned Hamas? What was that you were saying about posters "framing an argument (you) never made"? 🙄

Though I can see why you would think of Hamas - there is, after all, only one ideology that makes a habit of committing mass murder at music concerts, albeit there are slightly different variants of the same ideology: Bataclan, Ariana Grande, Crocus City Hall, Nova, Taylor Swift. And probably several failed attempts that I've forgotten.

But yeah, blame the victims why don't you.