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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Charlo30


    From what I can remember last time Sky were interested in extending the deal and wanted to show more matches but they were looking for exclusivity of throw in times, which the GAA were understandable unwilling to concede. If they can find a compromise we could well see the games back on Sky. And just wait for the outrage if that happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Sky wasn't so bad when they had the 24 hour pass on NowTV. Then you didn't need a dish and you could often get two games for the €10 fee.

    GaaGo could then cover more games, there were many games with no coverage whatsoever. There should exist an annual pass with additional coverage of games, not so much to make a load of money as to serve the GAA community.

    Also GAAGo fail the overseas audience from this time of year on. There will be club games on TG4 and RTÉ in the autumn, these are geoblocked, yet GAAGo do not make them available. Who thought that was a good idea? Either remove the geoblock or put them on GAAGo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You could regularly find a Sky Sports code on Bargain Alerts for €15 a month. If you bought this in June/July then not only would you get every sky exclusive game there was also Golf tournaments, the end of the PL soccer season, rugby July internationals. Overall a much better deal than the current GAAGo season pass

    In 2020 I remember Sky put the GAA on Sky Sports Mix, free to view for anybody with a regular Sky TV package. If sky want the rights again, I say bring it

    Obviously I'd prefer to see TV3 or TG4 get it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The idea of Amazon covering a few games is interesting. You could get prime for a month for less than one GAAGo game. The problem is though that you don't want the games all over the place.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,203 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Can't see Sky going for it. If I remember correctly the viewing figures on Sky were very poor previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭celt262


    Sky would probably want exclusive rights to games and BBC currently show a lot of Ulster games. What was the story the last time Sky had rights had BBC games?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The last time Sky had rights they were shared with GAAGo in the UK, quite the disaster in many ways as people now had to take out 2 separate subscriptions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    But loads of people already have Sky packages so not sure there would be any increase for most people.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The only commitment here is to retender the rights and the GAA are being clear the only reason they are doing it is because the CCPC are making them.

    GAAGO are allowed to bid and the RTE article this morning said they were expected to submit one.

    Sky’s main issue is that GAA no longer does what it was supposed to for them - keep subs active through the summer. The secondary TV partner is done by the end of June instead of the August bank holiday like was the case before the start of the Championships were brought forward.

    VMTV huffed and puffed (mainly because they are not ones to miss an opportunity to get a dig at RTE in) but their interest is mainly in deals which do not involve them having to act as host broadcaster, and they have been upfront about that.

    TG4 may well be interested. As might Premier Sports.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    But that was already the case when Sky first obtained rights to show GAA matches - lots of people already had Sky packages then too, but all the uproar was over "the poor old people who don't have Sky and who can't afford it".

    Then the games moved to GAA GO and it was all about "the poor old people who don't have broadband and who shouldn't have to pay for it just to then be able to pay extra to watch a GAA match".

    Even if GAA GO showed all its matches online for free, you'd still have complaints about it.

    Some won't be happy unless every match is shown on free-to-air TV. That remains unlikely to happen, unless Virgin Media becomes willing to do some broadcasting work itself, or TG4 ponies up more money than anybody thinks they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Interesting quote earlier this year from GAA president Jarlath Burns

    "If you try to imagine a world without GAAGO, the rest of these games just would not be broadcast because we only have one broadcast partner."

    So Limerick V Cork in the Munster Championship Hurling wouldn't have been shown in a world without GAAGO… I find that hard to believe. Fact is the GAA are broke and need to get the money from somewhere, otherwise GAAGO would not incur a subscription cost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    I honestly don't know why you find that hard to believe. Who would have shown that Limerick v Cork match, if it hadn't been for GAA GO?

    No broadcaster - including RTE - properly expressed an interest in acquiring the rights to what would have been "the Sky matches" when the Sky deal ended, and the GAA can't force any broadcaster to show any match. That left them in a position where they had to come up with an alternative solution. They looked at the streaming model which was proving successful in many counties for their club matches, and came up with something similar. The only "mistake" (if you see it that way) was to enter into partnership with RTE rather than somebody else to do so, because of the questions that have arisen since then.

    But my question to you remains the same - who do you think would have shown Limerick v Cork, if GAA GO didn't exist?

    P.S. - by the way, funny how the detractors criticise the GAA from both sides. Some say they're rich enough that they should be able to give away broadcasting right for free if no TV station is willing to pay the asking price. Then you come along and say that they're broke and desperate for money. It can't be both!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    On the contrary, RTE, through their joint venture with the GAA, were very interested in acquiring the rights to what would have been "the Sky matches"

    Had GAAGo not existed I would be highly surprised if RTE didn't pick it, and the other sky matches, up. They may have instead decided to not show some of the dead rubber games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,662 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The RTE deal stays the same until 2027, 31 championship games Free to Air. So they better make sure the Munster hurling fraternity get to see all their games on RTE. Otherwise the Taoiseach will be on their case again.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Don’t mistake this for the GAA caving to public or political pressure or anything like that. It’s very easy and tempting to see it that way. But this is about one thing and one thing only: keeping the CCPC off their back. There are clear competition issues both to do with the formation of the GAAGO joint venture itself (CCPC approval based on the fact that it was to be an overseas service only and they never went back when they entered the domestic market) and over the way that GAAGO acquired this rights package (multiple parties saying publicly they were excluded from the process). And GAAGO have already said they will be bidding again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,662 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Unless the CCPC make what happened on their side public, I am going to say that they were put under political pressure. Which followed on from public pressure, e.g. prolonged coverage on the Liveline radio programme.

    The politicians did not express any reservations about the deal until the Munster hurling fans started their bandwagon rolling because they couldn't get some games on RTE. Which was the intention of the deal all along, to keep some high profile high demand matches behind the GAAGO paywall.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41451070.html

    When contacted by the Irish Examiner, the CCPC was not willing to comment on its communication with the GAA. “The CCPC has engaged with both GAA and RTÉ on the topic of GAAGO. We are unable to release the contents of our correspondence or comment further at this time,” the statement read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    You're missing a key point here.

    No broadcaster - not even RTE - expressed interest in buying the rights to the games that Sky previously had. From an RTE point of view, they'd already forked out for 35 matches per year. They didn't want to pay again for roughly as many more.

    It was only then that the GAA GO model came into being. It was actually a direct result of RTE's unwillingness to acquire extra rights for "ordinary" free-to-air broadcast.

    Therefore, to speculate that RTE would have picked up the rights if GAA GO didn't exist couldn't be further from the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I think you are missing a bigger point that RTE own GAAGO, it's in their interest to put the bigger games behind a paywall so they can make more money off it…

    If GAAGO didn't exist do you think that RTE and the GAA would allow 3 Munster Hurling games involving Cork, including Cork V Limerick, and 2 Leinster games involving Kilkenny go without being televised at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,662 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The RTE deal is 31 championship games every year 2022 to 2027. They have to give four provinces football and three hurling a fair representation. Munster hurling people are looking to get priority over the rest. The GAA also own GAAGO, and they have no problem in saying that they need some high profile games on it to make money.

    What has happened here is a deal with a year to run has been hijacked by politicians, reacting to media pressure. In the guise of consumer protection.

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/we-have-to-sell-our-games-gaa-president-jarlath-burns-makes-no-apologies-for-gaago-decision/a1701693139.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Exactly. No obvious change if it goes to Sky Sports. The gripes might be the same but it won't make life any more difficult for the majority of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Burns let the mask slip a few months back in an interview when he accepted that the GAAGo was needed as a revenue earner. That was his primary argument for it in that interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There are 2 RTE deals, one involving RTE through their shares in GAAGO. If GAAGO didn't exist there would either be more than the 31 games on RTE or maybe another broadcaster would pick the remainder up. There is no chance that the Limerick/Cork and Dublin/Kilkenny games would simply not be not shown as they are worth a fortune in advertising to whoever shows them. GAAGO is the only way of watching the championships abroad, there is no doubt it is already massively profitable

    To use a football perspective I also doubt that 2 of the All Ireland Quarter Finals would simply not be shown.

    What actually happened here is people got pi$$ed off and the politicians reacted similarly. As a lot of taxpayers money goes to the GAA the politicians reaction is a good one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,835 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    All he did there was tell people what we already know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Not sure how to quote just one line from a post but want to refer specifically to this line from yours: "If GAAGO didn't exist there would either be more than the 31 games on RTE or maybe another broadcaster would pick the remainder up."

    You're still missing the point that GAA GO exists because neither RTE nor any other broadcaster wanted to "pick those games up" in the usual way.

    I'm not about to explain it any more. None so blind, and all that…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    "Organisation that needs money to operate sees and takes opportunity to make some money".

    Oh, the shock. Oh, the horror.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sky’s main issue is that GAA no longer does what it was supposed to for them - keep subs active through the summer. The secondary TV partner is done by the end of June instead of the August bank holiday like was the case before the start of the Championships were brought forward.

    This is a very good point.

    Sky saw the GAA as a way to keep sports subs in Ireland, and those of Irish people in the UK active over the summer months.

    And the GAA liked this deal because it literally put GAA in millions of living rooms in the UK.

    That's all gone now with the calendar changes.

    I doubt Sky will be a bidder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I'd say the BBC showing the AI finals probably did more for the game in the UK than the years Sky had games all summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭jj880


    Nah. Organisation that WANTS more revenue sees RTE pilfer round them and get rewarded with a bailout.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are those games on the regular BBC across all regions or just BBC Northern Ireland?



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