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Non Alcoholic beer in bars should be cheaper than alcoholic beer

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    And they sale for about €3.50 to €4 each, mad mark up

    I've got Cidona in cans in pubs but these cans seem different to shop cans

    Would businesses be in trouble for selling cans marked not for individual selling etc., as many chippers use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,757 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Pubs would potentially be in trouble. But why bother?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Minerlals are over priced but they are stocked primarily for mixers and cans wouldn't be suitable. Outside of pubs that sell large volumes of food, non alcoholic beer and mineral drinkers are not a priority for publicans. With the beer, a keg costs the same as full strength beer so it's the breweries to blame there. What pubs should do is use post mix for mixing the spirits add a euro on the price of Vodka & Coke, the customer is happy because 2 X V&C is €14 instead of €16 and the extra margin on that could cover a price reduction on mineral bottles for people who are having the mineral only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,580 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    It proberly comes down to business for pubs they don't want folk sitting up at the bar watching tv or whatever drinking a glass of my wadi while watching a match on tv .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Non alcoholic beers should definitely be cheaper but then that would be a sensible way for the government to deal with binge drinking and Ireland doesn't do sensible plans, theyd rather close everywhere when it gets late so that more people binge drink.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,570 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Aldi sell cans of sweet corn for 24c. Barley may be more expensive than corn but there's a lot corn in that can than in a pint. And like beer you have to heat it up to boiling point so most of the energy inputs are similar. And the brewery can sell the CO2.

    They can also sell the ethanol they extract from non-alcoholic drinks.

    The sweet corn can costs money too. I can't see how it costs Diageo anything like 25c to produce a pint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Probably better quality ingredients in the can of corn than is in a pint brewed by Diageo.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,215 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I was going to point that out. The tax and duty on alcoholic drinks shouldn't apply. Same goes for off licence sales.

    Here in germany there's a ridiculous selection of non alcoholic beers in shops. Some are delicious. I always have some at home so I can have one during a lunch break on a hot day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,700 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Any recommendations? I find Heineken 0 a bit tasteless. Lucky Saint is quite nice and crisp.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,215 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    My current favorite is Clausthaler Extra Herb. But if you're not sure, there's a hundred radlers that are delicious. I like them occasionally but there are times when I want something that tastes like a beer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭JVince


    I was laugh when I see posts like this

    Maybe those buying non alcoholic beer should have it served in a different glass that magically cleans itself, served by a person who takes a smaller wage because its non alcoholic, told to sit on the floor because seats are for those paying for real beer, told to sit outside because the heat is for those paying normal price.

    There's cost in business. It doesn't always reflect in the cost of the product itself. EG shops can buy greeting cards for 50c and sell for €2 - but serving that customer for €2 has the same cost as serving the customer for a €10 item which the shop may have bought for €6.

    And them you ALWAYS get that one person who brings up the Temple Bar pub - funny how they have probably never been in the pub themselves and checked what the punter gets for the €11 pint (that's a normal price in many New York, Boston, Seattle, London, Paris etc pubs - it would be CHEAP by Paris standards). As well as the drink, they get really good live Irish music no matter what time they go in and many will spend a couple of hours over one drink listening to the music - so if I said I will give you 2 hours of live traditional music plus a pint of beer and it will cost you €10.95 all in, you'd be saying tis a bargain.

    If you go into the Temple Bar and swill back 4 pints in an hour and can't be bothered with the music - you are a fool and that's what Martin Keane himself says. Its not aimed to that type of customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    And it's the publicans overcharging for non alco beer. The keg is the same price as full strength.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Agree, the temple bar comparison is becoming a bit jaded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Still can't buy non-alcoholic beverages before 10.30 (12.30 on Sunday).

    Very annoying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    The pubs can do what they want, it's the government that should be promoting non alcoholic drinks as a way of cutting down on all the issues that are caused by people who can't handle there drink. So you are claiming temple bar is not a rip off? What's next, Trump is a nice guy? Cork is the capital of Ireland? There is no housing crisis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭JVince


    So you want the government to promote products for massive profit making international companies?

    Guinness currently can't make enough of 00 and as soon all other beers made in James gate move to Newbridge, a 3rd production line will open. In just over 2 years Guinness 00 represents almost 10% of Guinness production and is HUGELY profitable - and you want the TaxPayer to fund promotion for guinness???? Seriously???

    On Temple bar - maybe you either did not read the post or just simply don't understand it. The price you pay in that bar is INCLUSIVE of the live music it plays from the minute it opens to the minute it closes. I believe they pay the musicians well. That's 105 hours of live music a week and every participant gets well paid. That's what they offer, that's what you pay for. If you go in there for skulling 5 pints and no interest in the music, you are a fool - plenty of neighbouring bars around €7 (which is well priced for any capital city)

    I sincerely hope you never visit the USA. $10-$12 is the NORM in main cities in boring pubs and in Paris you will find it near impossible to find a bar with a pint for under €10, similarly London is now £8-£9 in the more tourist areas, even Liverpool is £7+ in the tourist areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,412 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not to defend Red Bull which is overpriced shte but I hate this crap of using The Fogarty or The Temple Bar as any sort of example of prices.

    The price at wholesale for let's say Heineken 0.0 bottles isn't actually that much cheaper than regular bottles. So yes you should pay less on the bar but not as much as people think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,412 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That depends.

    Traditional non alcoholic beers as in the ones that say 0.5 on the bottle were real beers with the alcohol either cooked off or extracted through freezing.

    The new far closer to the real taste 0.0 beers never had alcohol and create the taste with additives and chemicals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    They discussed this on Reddit previously.
    When Diageo launched their pure brew 0 lager, their RRP was €3.50. But every pub sold it at €5 per bottle.

    Diageo sold later non alcoholic beers at the same price as the regular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,700 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I find it amusing that people need to contort themselves like this and respond to a load of nonsense nobody said.

    Another reason to avoid pubs. Crap music blaring, inadequate seating and those vile machines everywhere though I don't think the machines exist in Irish pubs.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭talla10


    For a Road Safety perspective of course they should incentivise drinking non alcoholic beer. I remember a few years ago (maybe 15?) if a designated driver had 3 or more Coca Colas or soft drinks they were free to encourage designated drivers and try and cut down on drink driving/encourage road safety.

    Pubs also make more money on non alcoholic drinks than alcoholic. There is huge tax on every pint of alcohol whereas non alcoholic beer is not subject to the same tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,412 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Every pub ?

    Also RRP doesn't really exist. The variation between pubs and geographic regions is too vast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Seeing as how you mention the US, many bars in the US will give free refills of soft drinks……… They obviously don't factor in the multiple 5 quid cost of pressing a button and then placing the glass in a washer at the end of the night that you factor in to justify the Irish publican's charges.

    Your greeting card analogy is a bit silly. Your average shop probably isn't selling as many "Happy 74th birthday Grandma" cards as per day as a pub would sell 7-ups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,412 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Lots of different kinds of pub out there. Some in the UK have no music or machines.

    Not sure how common that coke thing actually was. I certainly never came across it or heard of it mentioned amongst colleagues.

    When you say non alcoholic drinks do you mean beer or all soft drinks. Pubs making way more money from non alcoholic beer simply isn't true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭JVince


    maybe 20 years ago US pubs gave free soda refills, but I assure you they don't do it now - or at least in Baltimore, Seattle, DC and New York. They charge handsomely for ALL drinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Yep, St James Gate said it would be €3.50 a bottle.

    Now don't get pedantic on what "every pub" means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,700 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    True but when I meet people, it's usually in the city centre and we tend to plump for convenience. There are definitely pubs without those annoyances.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,412 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But they can't say that. It's impossible.

    How can they say it should be 3.50 in a Dublin 1 pub with a huge mortgage and 3.50 in a rural family owned Kerry pub.

    So many factors affect the net profit of a pub so Diagio or anyone saying "thats the price" is talking horsesht. RRP does not mean that's the price it needs to be sold at.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,534 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Are you sure? Any 0.0 beers I've had have always had something like <0.05% alcohol printed on the label. So where has that come from if there wasn't any in there to start with?



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