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Car insurance - tell us your quotes/renewals

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Sorry I meant I bought it in October 2017, one of the first of the FL cars. I never cracked 50 mpg in it when others with identical cars were boasting 60 even 70 mpg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭freddyuk


    Here we go again!

    The Wife has had our 2018 Skoda registered in her name as she lost her UK NCB after many years of claim free driving due to the Irish system. Since then she has built up her own NCB of 6 years on her Irish licence. Last year I went with AA (Zurich) at €400 Fully Comp. Their quote this year on exactly the same terms €779.81. No claims ever. Retired drivers. Low annual mileage. Two cars in the family.

    We had a tree fall on the car which left a lot of dents. I paid for the repairs as the impact on our insurance would have been very expensive. I hate to think what the renewal would be based on the above if I had claimed.(Act of God)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    This is in reply to a comment CoBo55 made on the bangernomics thread to my post, and I was told by the moderator to move it here. And while not directly connected to the subject of this thread, it is an insurance issue, and an important one at that. Anyway, hereunder is the conversation that was moved:

    Quote"CoBo55:Rubbish, the most that can happen is she loses her NCB if it wasn't protected, almost every policy has step back protection so she'd only lose half of her NCB.Edit, just saw the post asking to stop the off topic discussion, I'll say no more on this thread."UnQuote.

    First, before you jump in with your rubbish comment, you should have asked for a bit more information about the case. So some background info for you: The Lady in question is from Malaysia and has been in Ireland for several years now. She is working as a cleaner and God knows, they are not the best paid jobs in Ireland. So, when insuring her car, all she could afford was basic legal requirement of 3rd party, Fire and Theft. And as you should know, Comprehensive (basic) or Comprehensive (Plus) step back no claims protection, or full no-claims protection, open driving of other people's cars (basic) or open driving of other people's cars (full comprehensive) are all expensive add-ons. And like many other people in Ireland, she was unable to afford all the extras, and hit with the full whack, and that's why she is now off the road and out of a job.

    Now CoBo55, you still think that it's rubbish. or just you jumping into a conversation without knowing all the facts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    How many years NCB had she accrued when the accident happened? There's a common misconception that when you have a claim made against you, you end up paying for the damage, you don't, you lose your NCB and start again. I seriously doubt her renewal was "thousands". It happened my daughter in her first year's driving, she paid 1200, had a minor tip, your one snook off and claimed and unfortunately on her renewal it was still 1200. You need to have 3 years NCB built up before you can get protection. My daughter only had tpft as well, she isn't Malaysian as if that makes any difference, don't know why you brought that into it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Agree. Insurers are in the business of paying legitimate claims. It would serve no purpose for insurers to 'punish' their clients where they cannot afford premiums. Poster should have been referred to the Ranting & Raving forum instead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Nice the way he copied and pasted my reply to his post but didn't copy and paste his post where "a n-other" had a tip and the other driver claimed against her, her renewal cost "thousands" which the poor crater couldn't afford thus depriving her of a living as she could no longer drive. A complete load of bollox unless said unfortunate wasn't actually insured at all🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I take it that you have never had to claim off your insurance. Insurance companies are profit making businesses, and they are focused on reducing losses and increasing profits. So a slight bumper to bumper tip can and unfortunately does result in injury claims costing thousands of €'s and it happens far too often. If you don't have bonus protection, then you will have a problem. If it ever happens to you then I'm sure that we will see some fine examples of ranting and raving, but with good reason then,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Why don't you post it yourself if it bothers you that much? After all, its your post. As for the Malaysia part, most if not all foreigners are on poor hourly rates of pay, and that was included to provide background 2nd, after the accident she had to return home to Malaysia to nurse her sick mother, and she was gone for 3 mths, It was only when she returned and opened her mail she discovered the increase in her insurance premium. Obviously, the other lady involved had discovered hitherto unknown aches, pains and soft tissue injuries etc. after taking advice, and the cost rose from a simple bumper repair to extensive medical costs and compensation. I'm not sure how many years no claims protection she had built up by the time of the accident, I'll find out though, but in any case, she's unable to afford the renewal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    I did claim off my insurance and the renewal was just over 600 up from 300 odd euro as I only had step back protection at the time (2017). The total cost of the claim was just under 4000 euro. I renewed at the 600 and the following year they wanted the same again so I moved to another insurer declaring the claim and saving 150 euro in the process. When I reached full no claims I made sure to have full NCB protection from then on. I've dispelled a lot of myths there haven't I?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not really. If you have step back bonus protection only, then you only lose 2 or 3 years bonus,( depends on ins. terms) and retain 2 years. No protection whatsoever, back to square one, begin all over again at first year. Full bonus protection, and even more if possible then drive on, same as if you never had a claim. I have always gone for the maximum bonus protection that I was able to get. Two years ago, I was with Zurich, then they raised their prices, and I got a better deal from 123.ie,.This year, 123.ie raised their prices, and I again got a better deal from Zurich, with their Comprehensive Plus insurance at €525.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Not really what? You've cooled a bit since yesterday which is no harm. What you've said is exactly what I've provided actual figures for. Even if you go back to zero NCB it still won't cost thousands to renew as you stated yesterday whether you're Malaysian or not. Come back with actual figures for this woman and we'll work from there. Actually a work colleague of mine rear ended a car which went into another car writing off his and probably the middle car too, he had no protection in place I'll ask him what his renewal was as it was definitely over a year ago when it happened. I just messaged him it went up to 1100 for himself and the wife.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Actually, I haven't changed one bit, I stand by what I said in my original post. A lady had a minor tip, reported it to her insurance, when the renewal came, she was unable to renew it due to the increased cost, and now has no car, so her cleaning job is gone too. What was your friend's insurance cost before the accident? The lady in question that I mentioned might not even be able to afford the €1100 your friend paid? There's also the insurance issue and no bonus protection involved that not only will have to begin at the beginning again, but ever further back, because you are now starting your 5-year bonus journey again, but this time, you are starting with the added disadvantage of having a claim registered against you, so how would that affect your renewal? Thats something to think about too,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    A settled claim while still required to be declared won't affect her ability to shop around, a pending claim will make it more difficult understandably as nobody knows where they stand. Before the crash his premium was the usual 300-400 price on a Kia ceed estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Have you any idea about the amount the claim cost the insurance? In other words, how many years would it take for him to repay the insurance for what they paid out? (Post edited as I am getting some more info.)

    Post edited by jmreire on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    With over 40 in the business behind me, I think I have a good understanding of the situation. They desire by insurers to make profit is not well served by screwing over their customers for standard claims. The principle of losing an unprotected NO CLAIM bonus when you have a claim shouldn't be hard to comprehend



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Just renewed. 40 year old male with six years NCB (most of it carried over from abroad) driving a year old Kona Electric. Cover includes business. Up from 300€ to 370€. Aviva.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Quite a bit of experience in both trade and the insurance business myself too, preparing estimates, costs etc, and for more years than care to think about, as it happens. To recap: - The Lady I was speaking about had a minor tip, plastic bumper to bumper. Neither vehicle was travelling very fast, it happened in a housing estate. The lady at fault admitted it, no problem, and was extremely concerned about how Lady Nr 2 was. Any injuries? Need to go to the hospital etc? Genuinely concerned. Lady Nr 2 laughed it off, no problem, she just wanted her car fixed, so after getting the insurance details, they both went their separate ways. And Lady Nr 1 thought that was that. Next, Lady Nr 1 had to travel back to Malaysia to care for her ill mother, and it was 3 mths before she arrived back in Ireland again, with of course the large accumulation of mail waiting for her, including the car insurance renewal notification. After opening the renewal letter, and getting over the shock, she contacted the insurance and explained the delay in contacting them and asked why the renewal was so high, and the explanation they gave her was that she had a large claim lodged against her insurance, because of that her renewal was so high. And so she couldn't afford to re-insure the car. She duly contacted Lady Nr, 2, who told her that she had had handed everything over to her solicitor, and he had taken it from there. With the result now in Lady Nr 1's hands. End of story (except Lady Nr 1 without her car, was now out of that particular job)

    Going by my own personal experience (and yours too, in your 40 years') what actually happened was Lady Nr 2, went to a solicitor (advised by her husband, friend etc?) and was advised of her legal rights, especially of possible health issues down the road, as some injuries can take quite some time to manifest themselves, and better be safe than sorry. And its quite possible that the solicitor may even have been able to recommend a consultant who was a specialist in impact-generated injuries, especially soft tissue ones, and so it was checked out. All of these medical tests ect, can be time consuming and are invariably expensive, which's increases costs of the claim, and then if something is discovered to be possible a health issue at some future date, the costs of that too have to be calculated into the final figure. By now of course, the simple costs of a bumper repair have been left far behind, in the final account presented to the insurance. Will they check or contest the presented final figures? You know well the answer to that question yourself. But the bottom line for Lady Nr1,is that she's unable to afford the insurance now. And you know something else, Egg's, she is not the only one who's put off the road each year because even with a minor tip, the claims are jacked up sky high, and that was the main point I was trying to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Mother of God you're either not playing with a full deck or are just trolling. He doesn't pay back what it cost the insurance company to settle the claim, he lost his NCB through penny pinching at renewal time, like your Malaysian mate times were tough at that time for him, he took a chance and it backfired unfortunately. When I made my claim in 2017 I didn't have to pay my insurance company the money it cost to fix my car. They're insurance companies not savings banks, it's all based on risk and they get stung too. I've outlined two actual cases to you with figures, I'm still waiting for your figures regarding your Malaysian friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭djan


    That's a lot of words with very little to no relevant information. Unless you know the figures, there's no point discussing it.

    I get it insurance, especially in Ireland is a pain as its quite high and claims can really impact it compared to the continent. This is often due to the obscenely high payouts given and I hope the recent caps on them will drive prices down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,190 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Renewal just came in from liberty. Gone up from €460 to €610. Full no claims on a 3 year old puma



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Have a look at my reply to Mr Egg,, might throw some light on my opinion on it. And also, yes, I understand how insurance works, the loss makers are covered by increased fees across the board. But even so, say a claim of 5000, do you think that will attract the same renewal premium as say a renewal of a 60'0000? claim? While neither will be expected to cover the full Insurance costs fully of course, because that would defeat the whole purpose or need for insurance. But even so, they will try to reduce their costs as much as possible, because they are a profit-motivated shareholder business.

    Yes, you are right on the penny-pinching case where he was too tight to stump up for the bonus protection, will be the last time though. Next time I contact the Malaysian lady, and I get more detail's I'll post them. But I expect that its a case of a higher claim and payout by the insurance, leading to a higher renewal figure for the Malaysian Lady, one which she was unable to afford,

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    So you wrote and essay without knowing the details! Goodnight all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Purely academic question for you so Eggs, with all the details needed:

    Two accidents, two claims. One costs the insurance company €10'000 to settle, while claim Nr 2 costs the Insurance €60'000 to settle. Now will both renewals cost the same renewal premium, or will one be higher than the other?

    Good Night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    If the smaller claim indicates poor driving ability, it is likely to attract a high loading. A larger claim where a 3rd party may be chancing their luck will not be held against the policyholder.

    In your example, both claims will probably just result in loss of bonus (without protection). The theory that insurers try to recoup their outlay from the policyholder over a period of time is nonsense. If you have a high premium after a claim, underwriters have determined that the circumstances profile you as a future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So, the bottom line is basically back to square one in both cases. With one facing a higher loading, depending on circumstances. That would explain it.

    Thanks Egg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭johnj1969


    My car went on fire while waiting on my mam in a carpark. Engine bay section.

    We do the 'right' things for emissions etc. but they put on filters that block air flow, mix fuel & waste gasses.

    Madei local news. It's really relatively common now apparently.

    On camera afaik.

    No relay of information or movement on claim.

    A 12yr old car, relatively small claim incl 2 investigation co s & 6 weeks for lad to look at CCTV security .

    Going on three months now

    One of the worst dragged out instances in my 55 years.

    EDIT; In saying no relay of information i should correct that; The situation has taken steps but is still sort of where it is from the beginning.

    **This is not to say my Insurance rep hasnt been cordial or not in touch**

    But its always week or longer wait on a reply or no reply. But if there is no further info i suppose hearing little is much the same as no reply.

    Post edited by johnj1969 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Was the actual cause of the fire ever established?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭johnj1969


    Thank you for asking.

    So to answer your question first; Engine bay from beginning of exhaust underneath to front grille area was destroyed. I could speculate but so far no defininitive answer.

    When i first felt something wasnt right, i got out and proceeded to open bonnet and i could feel unusualy strong heat on my hands, kind of oh no dread feeling, opened it and it was like a coal fire beginning to start. Surreal feeling and TBH my first thought was my car is gone. But in the following minutes i was actually very relieved, that it was I waiting on My Mother of 75 (who is a year removed from undergoing a lung removal procedure, leading to near fatal heart failure)… to come out of a local store and and not vice versa incl. any other person or God forbid a young kid and no cars in vicinity too were touched. Tramatic to say the least.

    So i closed bonnet, grabbed what i could panicking taking keys from ignition and wallet with my cards. I kept my drivers licience in the small cubby near steering wheel, but it didnt survive as that particular card anyways,

    Closed door scurried out a few yards to outside section to phone Dublin Fire Brigade who were amazingly promt and are just the best kind of people we are so lucky to be able to rely on.

    Also there is a process and a lad representing the insurance company has been friendly but i think he may be as much in the know as myself, so im hearing what he has been getting which seems to a long and non definite anxious procedure, i IMO it is just something i will forever pay heed to, but i want to put it in the past.

    I think its in these moments, and me being past middle age and incidents like this, give us pause and experience in a relatively small time frame, but broader sense of proportion.

    Very sorry for big post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    No need to be sorry for a post that gives so much information.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭skibum


    Your Age: 58
    Car type and engine: 2008 Mercedes C180K
    years driving: 40
    any claims: zero

    Penalty Points: Zero
    Price and provider: Allianz

    fully comp with windscreen cover, breakdown assist, protected no claim bonus, driving other cars.

    last year €383.34

    quote for next year €382.95

    going to ring other providers over next couple of weeks, but I don't think I'm going to get a better quote.

    One of the joy's of getting older….. 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thank you for replying to me John. Very informative post.. a little bit more info if you don't mind? The car is 12 years old, and a small model. Which make and model is it, and is it diesel or Petrol? You were sitting in the vehicle waiting for your Mother, was the engine running or switched off? Radio on or off?

    Thanks in advance,

    Jim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    66 BMW 2028 118D fully comp incl. driving other cars, windscreen cover, no claims protection, €600 excess: OUTSURANCE €380

    123.ie jumped from €430 last year to €550.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭in2dark


    I found their quotation process a joke. Not online, over the phone with millions of questions to get a price. Is this still the case?

    Also is the 600 excess the only option?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    1. Never heard of Outsurance - they a broker? or their own underwriter?
    2. Pretty new BMW 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,657 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Some more info about the case of the Malaysian Lady. The renewal came is at €3500, which was way beyond what she was able to pay, so she's now returned home to Malaysia. All because of a minor bumper to bumper tip, escalated, despite there not being any sign of any injury's at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Yes, I had to answer a million questions but I got well compensated for ut.

    No, €600 excess is not the only option but I didn't bother enquiring about the cost of alternatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    I forgot to add that they add a loyalty bonus after three years of a 10% p.a. refund!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    Insurance company.

    Funny they never mentioned it at the NCT!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭ImAHappyCamper


    Im with MissQuote and got a quote this morning to renew for €720. Last year I paid €500. Fully comp. I rang them up and they went down to €655. In the meantime I went on to chill insurance and I got a quote of €542 from a company called Ivernia protect. I've never heard of them before and they have some shocking reviews on Google. Does anyone have any info on them? TIA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Affluenza


    Late 20s 6y NCB. License for 7 years.

    22 iD3 full comp with Zurich. No optional extras (€250 excess, €30 window excess etc).

    Last year was €566. 2022 was €515.

    Renewal is €788. Strange as TPFF is €491.

    Places I've tried so far (All standard fully comp, no extras - €250 excess):

    Fresh zurich quote with OBS discount code - Wouldn't quote.

    Phoning zurich regarding renewal - €711.

    Chill.ie - Wouldn't quote.

    getsetgo.ie - €3,363.

    aig - €3,211.

    Its4women (no ncb protection) - €3202.

    Revolut - €1,648.

    allianz - €1,214.

    123.ie - €865.

    axa - €1,162.

    axa through supervalu - €1,162.

    Coverinaclick - Wouldn't quote.

    libertyinsurance - €1,009.

    Anpost Insurance - No quote online so range them - €646 with no NCB protection.

    quotedevil - Actually got quotes for the first time in years. €826 with Aviva.

    fbd (no NCB protection, €500 excess and excludes breakdown assistance :o ) - €809.

    Aviva (€300 excess, added stepback protection) - €650.

    I heard Aviva have been fairly good this year so I probably won't get lower than €650 with stepback? Anyone have any other places I could try? I thought the days of €3k+ quotes were over :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭turbodiesel


    Tips for when to search for insurance renewal quotes: look approx 23 days before renewal because you are deemed less less risk aversive.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/SSKRTjrh7Lpj29c4/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭gussieg


    so all week been offered a quote of 275 by 123.ie and then today the day before policy is due for renewal , it’s gone up by 17 to 292. When I rang to ask they said I should’ve taken the offer when offered. So I said after my experience in B and Q yesterday , plus the NCT, and people not giving anything towards cost of petrol, I’m just not renewing my insurance and am going to go without . He confirmed the NCB is valid for 2 years so we’ll see how that works out .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭djan


    That's why insurer's quotes are typically valid for a day. They can't foresee their risk portoflio changing and will price things accordingly. This is just as much a factor as the driver/vehicle getting quoted.

    Hopefully you're joking about about the insurance as that is a pathetic excuse to drive around uninsured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I sometimes assume the best of people and thought he wasn't going to drive?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,592 ✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,716 ✭✭✭Cape Clear


    Was thinking the same. Don't think I ever got insurance that low except in 2020 when I got a COVID rebate/gesture of a one for all voucher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭gussieg


    How ungrateful of me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Don't believe everything you read on the internet, except for this post of course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭gussieg


    I had been doing that every year no matter who I was with, ignoring the renewal number and going back in to generate a fresh quote from their online portal /site every time was coming in at least 100 cheaper .



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