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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    Most lads minds are made up now already price won't matter in the winter for most as there going to be very little milk in the autumn

    It's been a real bear of an 18 months on a lot of fronts. Margin in dairy is very tight and I don't see much by the way of a price increase on the cards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,314 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    At least that north wind has fecked off



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    I don't trust the factories not to exploit the situation. I suspect we are looking at 6 months of poor cow prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    At least ground conditions are good. Cows have increased by 2 litres here since they got after grass.

    Was talking to my ration lorry driver the other day. He said there is an awful lot of lads getting out of cows this autumn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They'll still pay out for well fleshed 300 plus kgs deadweight cows, but anything not meeting spec they'll pay buttons for probably sub 3 euro a kilo, to 2.00 for under-fleshed light cows



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    dealers will make a killing on cheap cows in the marts

    I was looking back in ICBF on cows we sold to a dealer on dec 22

    He had a lot of them hanging in under 2 weeks of buying them, got full base price for them even though they weren’t near the required carcass weight

    They’re making a Handy 200-250€ /hd on quickly killed cows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They mighten be offering the above sweetheart deals till the big flush of cows go through, if all the stories re men pulling the pin are true even getting cows into a factory in the back-end of the year will be difficult, but if their is a 100k less cattle in the system conpared to last year maybe factories will cater for the higher numbers



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    To be honest farmers are wasting time sending in cattle themselves.the way it works is the factories ring these lads for a double 9f cows when they need them and keep the general quotes down,when they want cattle grids bord bia and carcase limits are fired out the window and its all flat price on carcase weight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Its gas, reading this article re a local quarry why arent the ngo groups having kittens and threatening high court action etc, if they had applied for premission to put up a 1000 cow shed and rotary parlour with a AD plant on the existing site , they would of spat the dummy out

    https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/local-news/1555162/green-light-for-laois-quarry-operations-despite-local-objections.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwQtYDR9emdrvyaARjv-PSqq9fd_Z8BKkQIMBDKm7mIgNWT8vwBGLbVls2LxoG0sQEqKggAIhBvu5HZHWtAXAl_lK918zznKhQICiIQb7uR2R1rQFwJf5SvdfM85w&utm_content=related

    Would make you wonder, if these groups are stratigically used when to make a nuisance of themselves, when lodging objections, on the instructions of high up civil servants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,314 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    On the repeats, we had alot last year. This year we ai'd an extra couple of weeks and then let the bulls out. Seems to have worked. Just one or two old dolls repeating



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Bull is quiet here. He's going to the factory next Monday along with 3 culls. Going to scan the lowest yielders and pull out more culls and dry off oct/Nov calvers. Place is greenish but not leaping out of the place. Not feeding silage atm. That's the handy thing about the winter milk, being able to reduce demand. 5.5 kg of 13%. 21 litres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Can't see milk price being a contributer in any way to a financial improvement this year. Reckon whoever is the most proactive here in moving stock will do best. It's a normal strategy in NZ and US to move stock numbers swiftly according to milk price/weather variables. Cost have gone so out of kilter here that nothing but the very most efficient should remain on farm for the immediate future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,974 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    dropping numbers still has a stigma for lots …loads with big bills getting bigger and big holes in winter feed requirements …refuse to do what u outline and going out giving big money for blocks of ground for silage …hard make sense of it …..contractors would want to be very proactive collecting money this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,314 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I reduced cow numbers last year, very glad I did and it was less mouths to feed in a **** year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    Milk price isn't bad I thought. Nuts at 35 cent, plenty grass around now, milk at 42 and rising. Cows are putting on condition every day this time of year. I'll be milking mine on until at least November anyway. I'll have to offload some then because I only have 95 cubicles and I have 115 cows including replacements.

    I heard Aidan Brennan on a podcast the other day and he still doesn't get it. He said the BEST farmers used to get the stock on the ground first and worry about the facilities later but you can't really do that anymore. Then he started talking about CBV and DBI on jersey crosses or black cows or whatever you call them now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Cut numbers by 25% couple of years ago. Am back sending as much milk. Some difference when especially as I was tight on shed space and feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Find Kepak to be fair enough, once cows are half way decent and have weight, sent these straight out of the parlour last week, only poor price was for a x-bred cow, years of breeding smaller cows isnt the factories fault when their hung up and making a poor price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭visatorro


    I'd say they will all pay for flesh. It's the backward stores that will be cheap. Can't see many lads buying cows to finish this year either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Why wouldn't lads buy cows to finish. They were the only class of animal that paid to finish last winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭visatorro


    tight on feed perhaps. cows made money last year but can see cows that need alot of feeding being a harder sell than last year even. could be wrong



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭DBK1


    The whitehead and angus heifers killing at €5.60 flat price last January might beg to differ!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    this is the first year that our milk supply has stayed static with extra cow numbers, we’ve always gotten extra litres with extra cow numbers.

    We’ll be okay fodder wise, will be aiming to milk the sane number next year again but with a lower number of heifers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭green daries


    You know what most businesses do when costs rise and squeeze the margin......... that's right they increase the price only farmers would be saying the price is not bad whilst there margin is being eroded in front of their eyes apologies I have replied to the wrong post was a reply to @straight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Well the reality is that the milk price to feed price ratio is good at the moment so don't expect any great milk price increase going forward. It is weather and regulations that is holding milk production back in Europe, not milk price.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    The best time is to feed extra ration is now if feed is an issue and get some sort of milk return to pay for it plus make the culls more saleble earlier.if you have plenty feed and room a different set of sums apply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight


    40c is the new 30. Prices hovered around 30 for years. Prices have increased to reflect the higher costs, at least to a certain degree.

    Farmers will always be at the bottom of the heap unless you find a niche or diversify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


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    ICMSA wants Minister to inform farmers of their fertiliser allowances

    The Minister for Agriculture, Food and Marine should immediately inform all farmers of the amount of fertiliser they are legally allowed to spread between now and the Closing Date as there is utter confusion on the question, according to ICMSA Deputy President, Eamon Carroll.

    “In the face of the fodder shortage signalled by the ICMSA Fodder Survey, farmers find themselves in a scenario where they do not know whether they can spread additional fertiliser that will grow sufficient fodder. That’s just absurd and there’s an onus on the Minister and his Department to provide this information to farmers immediately.  The Department have the Fertiliser Register in place, they know the number of livestock on each farm, and they know the number of hectares along with the slurry imports -exports, so the Department have all the information required to provide clear guidance to farmers on the remaining amounts of N and P that they can spread within the legal limits before the 15 September. They must utilise that information and communicate with the individual farmers what their individual situations are in terms of fertiliser usage by that date (15 September)”, said Mr. Carroll, who also chairs the Farm & Rural Affairs Committee.

    “There is a very serious fodder issue at farm level and the stress around that is being multiplied by the utter confusion in relation to what a farmer can and cannot spread.  The Minister has the information available, and he should immediately inform farmers of their remaining fertiliser allowances for the year so that farmers can make informed decisions to grow more grass and fodder, while staying within the prescribed limits.  Very bluntly, we have enough to be worrying about without having to guess whether we can – or cannot – use fertiliser to grow the badly needed grass for fodder. The Minister can at least remove that additional pressure by collating the data they hold on to the individual farms and then communicating the remaining fertiliser allowance available to individual farmers. That needs to happen immediately”, said Mr. Carroll.

    Ends 16 July 2024

    Eamon Carroll, 087-6312945

    Deputy President, ICMSA.

    Or

    Cathal MacCarthy, 087-6168758

    ICMSA Press Office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Brownstown rotary parlour wasnt up to long on donedeal

    Whats going to be done with the farm now tillage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Why did the owners sell this farm? I often read articles about them before, in dairy a long time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭straight




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