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Atlantic 252 What happened?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Tribalcamp


    @Bobson Dugnutt it's not rocket science, Imagine this time of the day on June 19th 1994, you are a teenager in rural Ireland, your choice of audio to listen to is Gareth O'Callaghan filling in for Gay Byrne/Pat Kenny on Radio 1, Larry Gogan playing oldies on his golden hour, Big Tom and Daniel O'Donnell records on the local station or "Today's hits nonstop" on Atlantic 252. Yes the post 1993 Atlantic djs were all naff but sure they only spoke every two hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,965 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    My memory of it was a station only listened to by some of the rougher usually female members of my class.

    Thankfully the choice was better in the city but anyone into their music was listening to tapes not radio except the odd pirate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭squonk


    Yeah, I’m coming from a pov of 1990 on which is when I ready started listening to A252. In a rural setting there really wasn’t much choice until about 1989 anyway when the independents came on steam.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭ford fiesta


    "I uesta love her" (1990) and "Crazy World" (1994) were playlisted, though not on high rotation, on 252 at their time of release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    That timeline and location is very relevant to me. I do remember there being other choices though - mixtape scene, cd swaps, metal show with John Kenny, 2FM, Dave Fanning, music shows on Network 2.
    I just associate 252 was lo-fi sound, Living Next Door to Alice, lads from BallyBogBrain pretending they were from NY, and just an overall amateur vibe.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Enda Caldwell


    Hi @Bobson Dugnutt ballybogbrain eh, where exactly on a map is that? And was your Granny not from there too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭nonetheless


    Well I don't ever recall A252 having Smokie (maybe Classic Rock Sunday?) on its regular programming playlist and there is absolutely nothing wrong with Trim, Co Meath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Less of the personals please, Enda. BallyBogBrain was a light-hearted way of describing a town where some of the DJs might have emerged from. Lads who got behind the mike and started talking like they were from Brooklyn via Balkyhaunis. That lad Dusty Rhodes was mad for it. Then all you’d get was hours of New Kids on the Block and Kissed from a Rose by Seal. Complete shíte.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭Tork


    If you bothered to read the thread, you would've read that people's nostalgia for it is nuanced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭squonk


    Tge A252 DJs were far from country bumpkins finding themselves in front of a mic. Rick O’Shea, Dusty Rhodes etc went on to have great careers. It mightn’t have been to everyone’s taste but they were some of the best jocks in the business at that stage.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Enda Caldwell


    (Rollseyes) @Bobson

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    @Enda Caldwell, can you tell us the difference between what 252 did 30 years ago and what Capital FM are doing these days?

    To me its a variation of a theme? And I say that with someone who appreciated 252 back then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭nonetheless


    Z100 New York had their studio located in Seacusus, New Jersey which is a relatively small place but were broadcasting to major market.

    Atlantic 252 was designed as a US Top 40 radio station with a US Top 40/CHR format, it wasn't to imitate, it was and managed to be that. Radio stations in Australia have done it as have radio stations in Europe such as 538 and some of the French radio stations have also adopted or have tailored that format. In Atlantic 252's case during its implementation of that format, 6-7 million people choosing it can't be wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    I don't recall Smokie on A252 either. I suspect that the re-released version of Living Next Door to Alice with Smokie and Roy Chubby Brown, which was out in the mid 1990s, probably got played as it was in the charts. Once I had access to FM on the car radio in 1994, I did not listen as much to the station after that. You definitely would not have heard Smokie on Classic Rock Sunday!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Love child by sweet sensation is my 252 memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Mine would be ‘Sweat (A La La La La Long)’ by Inner Circle and then ‘Baby I Love Your Way’ by Big Mountain. And, of course, hearing ‘I listen to long wave radio Atlantic 252’ in a northern English accent.

    Was a great station, in its day. One that the popular kids in school, even in Dublin, would talk about down the back of the class.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭nonetheless


    I don't listen to the radio station but Just from a music perspective, I for one can see that Capital FM's playlist of new music is predominantly reflective of the current UK Top 40 with an occasional US CHR contribution. Again, not offering any new music from the current US Adult Top 40 or CHR that could be considered as being exclusive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    My own memories of the station was that it was hugely popular (Tyrone/Fermanagh areas) in the early to mid 90's as there wasn't anything else close to its style of music & presentation. Yes it was somewhat repetitive in its playlist but that was part of its charm back then that likely wouldn't survive today - you were guaranteed chart hits when you tuned in. Talk of this being based on Sunshine 101 etc. is alien to those of us whom have no recalling of the Dublin 80's superpirates and what they were like, being targeted at the UK its influences were as much derived from Laser 558 etc. if not moreso than what had went on in Ireland before it. The alternatives locally were 2FM, which was tolerable much of the time (and the first to try if the radio you hadn't didn't have LW on it), BBC Radio 1 which was having an identity crises at this point in time (I couldn't see whom it was trying to appeal to - this got sorted out later in the 90's - also it wasn't available on FM here until '93), and Downtown which at the time was naff for anyone under 35-40. Sound quality of A252 wasn't a huge issue when much of the listening wasn't done on big feck-off hi-fi systems but rather on single-speaker trannies, boom boxes and simple car radios in noisy vehicles whose frequency response would be clipped at the high audio end anyway. However, it was a station of its time and the "comeback" being touted for parts of the UK on DAB is just a nostalgia cash-in - though it isn't the first and it won't be the last. the folks on the Digital Spy forum (in their classic form) are already picking holes apart on it!

    Oh, and I did get to call in to A252 once and get on air one evening. I think it was Robin Banks that took my call, still remember the number - 010 353 463 6677, originally announced as "oh-one, oh-three-five-three…" to disguise it as if it was a London (01) number - once the IDD code in the UK changed from 010 to 00 in 1995 IIRC, it became harder to hide the number for UK listeners being an international one!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Enda Caldwell


    BMG, I would like to but as you have alluded to in PM's we would always disagree on it.

    The difference OTHERS in the industry have commented to myself when comparing 90s Longwave Radio Atlantic 252 to Capital FM of now or the since 2011 rollout is this: Personality.

    Atlantic was big and loud, energetic with personality but they felt that Capital lacked somewhat in that department.

    You mentioned Z100 not being as good now as "back then" well tell me what is? Its still streets ahead of its counterparts in The Uk and in IRL.

    Stations now that have the "sound" of the old 252 are:

    Radio 538 NL (has that big loud EHR coming from a ship on Northsea feeling) Cadena 100 in Spain (our Captain Kevin is Group PD) QMusic NL, Z100 *particularly Elvis Duran, Sirius XM 90S on 9, Australian Radio like Gold 104.3 Sydney, KIIS Sydney with Kyle + Jackie O, Riviera Monaco, HiFM Oman and So Radio - Robins stations, Halo UK Bam Bam's online station. Beat 106 Scotland is also a good listen its one of the more authentic reboots (because it was set up by a former part of station management)

    Even the guys in the states still revere how good 538 sounds. Everything is carefully coded to beat and key match the jocks use drones and reverb on the mics, songs are pitched up, the processing is ramped up - they really know their audience well. And "embrace social media" but that does not equate to 2 "influencers" sat in a studio talking endlessly!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭squonk


    Two songs I remember exclusively from A252 are from around about 91. “Because I Love you” - Strvie B and “Where Does My Heart Beat Now” by Celina Dion. They had that Stevie B song on heavy rotation. It was the first I’d heard of Celina since she won the Eurovision in Dublin in 1988. I figured she must be doing alright post Eurovision. Little did we know what was in store. I don’t remember any of the regular FM stations playing eithrr of these at the time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭nonetheless


    Yes, Stevie B's 'Because I Love You' and from rock Damn Yankees 'High Enough' to soul Ralph Tresvant 'Sensitivity'. A252 👍👍👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭squonk


    God yes! Hearing those brings them back. I’d totally forgotten them. It was a million miles from the kind of stuff on FM here at the time. I’d listen the hell out of a station playing all those today. Thanks!! Great reminders!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭nonetheless


    Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 available from rick.com. Look out for the section devoted to '80s & '90s Editions. Editions from 1989/90/91 are regularly played. It will bring you back to A252 for that time period. Well worth a listen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Tribalcamp


    It's interesting the heated debate this DAB reboot/tribute is generating on the Digital spy forums etc. If Atlantic 252 hadn't closed in 2002 and if it had survived by eventually going on UK DAB/FM etc, it would still have long ago left Trim and Longwave, RTE would long ago have sold their shares and it would be just another UK brand owned by either Bauer, Global or wireless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,007 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Enda Caldwell


    Maybe, but had others been allowed to buy. Or had RTL Re invested as we wanted them to then it would have remained in Trim. Maybe the LW might have been used to do an Oldies station and the CHR station gone on D1 freeview sky etc. Our MD at the time fought our corner for RTL NOT to sell us off. They sold it at a loss. The damage that was done in 98-99 by going all indie put a dent in the plan.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    LW and AM might have some nostalgia for radio anoraks, but the vast majority of folks don’t miss it. Lo quality sound with a hiss. Post war sort of stuff.
    We now have a wide selection of stations on FM, podcasts, and music streaming services.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,965 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    6-7 million people can most definitely be wrong.

    Look at what is and was popular in TV, film and music. We live in a world where Sex and the City and Westlife were wildly popular.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭Enda Caldwell


    But @Bobson Dugnutt you religiously tune in to RTÉ R1 a station with sound quality and levels only marginally apart from that of the quality of AM Radio you listened to after the War? I would book myself a hearing test if I were you, thank God I am not! Was that the Boar War you were involved in by the way?



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