General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

Well it definitely wasn't by using a shots on target stat anyways.

I don't think clubs ever used assists as a metric, and if they did they should be shot. And then even more so if they are using assists to judge a central midfielder.

There are other stats such as xGchain which can record midfielders contribution in terms of creating chances consistently which are helpful when analyzing midfielders creativity. It's one of many stats what are useful.

It's funny when you look at the 'old school' stats and you realize how useless they are really. There was one going around a few years who where some Man Utd fans used to love parroting the fact that David De Gea had made the most saves in the PL, to show what a great goalkeeper he was. First of all if a goalkeeper is making a lot of saves, that means he is facing a lot of saves and that is not a good thing. And then second of all, deeper stats were showing that while making saves, he was not catching them and instead was rebounding the saves into dangerous areas which in turn was creating another chance for the opposition. In layman terms, he was saving shots from distance (typically harder to score from) but was palming them into the 6 yard box for an easier chance for the opposition to score from a tap in . The old school metric of 'shots saved' was painting this picture that he was great as he was making saves but in reality he helping the opposition with where he was putting the ball and so the new metric of psxg was measuring his shot saving performances more accurately. He was severely underperforming.

They definitely use it, yes. And stats like xg, and it's dependent stats, are a large reason why some clubs have gained an advantage over others when recruiting new players and can exploit gaps in the market. And then you can see the clubs who are spending big money and being left behind as they are buying the wrong players.

I was watching a game recently, it might have been the Chelsea cup semi final and a player ran through on goal one on one with the keeper, rounded him and defenders got back and he didn't even take a shot. So that didn't even exist according to xg.

If a player doesn't take a shot, then how do you expect it to be registered as any type of shot stat?

why that conclusion exactly? I’m a spurs fan and feel the same, it’s about not wanting to see a local rival win the bloody league. If shoe was on other foot they’d feel the same and they not a small time club by a long shot

So rather than consider the point honestly, you would rather try to pretend that Rashford and Maguire are on a par with Salah and Van Djik. Whats next, Onana is just as good as Allison?

Stop being so precious, nobody is losing face by acknowledging that Liverpool have some all time great players after all, even if that does mean they should have had higher expectations than the worst United team in decades.

Would probably still say their chances were better from a free

so the advantage rule is decided by the players?