Israel-Gaza: 'We are at war', says Benjamin Netanyahu

I think that’s a better summary than most could do in a few lines.

The inexorable issue though is the continued bombing of a ghetto. Stating this isn’t necessarily taking sides, what happened on October 7th was wrong, it didn’t happen in isolation though.

The whole situation is crying out for the UN to step in but the longer this (and other situations) go on, the more I think they’re military eunuchs that’s become a giant money spinner and jobs for the boys.

It is unfortunate aspect of this war that the U.N have been shown to be compromised.

Firstly, UNWRA. Before people start crying out there was no evidence, there obviously was if the head of UNRWA fired 12 employees (iirc).

The other consideration about the U.N is the fact that over previous 24 months there have been more resolutions against Israel than the rest of the world...combined! In my opinion, that is madness when you consider North Korea, Saudi, Syria etc. Israel is after all, a democratic country that allows freedom of expression, religion, sexual orientation and speech.

The compromised U.N has exasperated the entire situation.

Strong leadership is required from major players, U.S and Qatar primarily.

The right wing element in Netanyahu government certainly does not help matters either.

I will add, as much as I agree with you regarding the bombings and planned incursion into Rafah. Israel have to remove last remnants of Hamas. If they don't and allow Hamas to re-group in Gaza, the world is ultimately saving today's children to condemn the children of tomorrow to more of the same.

I understand Israel's position but before any incursion, there has to be a plan for civilians in Gaza. In no way whatsoever should there be any ground incursion without the removal and safe harbor of civilians.

100%. People will say the IDF will not stop but if Hamas release hostages and surrender, israel do not have a leg to stand on. Job is done.

I doubt Israel would leave Gaza due to state of that land currently, but that would be dependent on surrounding Arab countries and who, if anyone would be willing to assist.

Palestinians need hope though. Without hope, status quo will eventually seep back in to their society, even without a Hamas present.

There has to be a plan, a road map (as it was called) to a sovereign Palestinian state and guaranteed security for Israel.

Exactly, I wouldn’t engage a blinkered lunatic in meaningful debate. It would be akin to trying to convince Hitler he was wrong.

EG: no evidence the IDF did any wrong but lo and behold it was hamas shooting Palestinians getting food aid.

correct - I don’t think there is a genocide.

I think you will find that if you put Muslims into a first world country that their population will grow faster than that of the non-Muslims in that country. Check out any European country where this is happening.

Namecalling from the likes of you is just … meh!

You're intolerable.

Answer me this.. Was Israel stealing land when forcibly removing settlers from Gaza in 2006 and handing the land over to PA/Fatah.

Big industrial greenhouses remained (built by Israel) to enable Gazans to grow produce and even trade to generate revenue. Hamas destroyed those greenhouses. Completely obliterated them because they were built by the Jews.

Was Israel oppressing the Gazans when removing its people from Gaza? Were Israel 'stealing' land then? And was leaving the maintained industrial greenhouses for Palestinian people an act of oppression?

This was all part of the Roadmap for Peace btw. A peace Israel wanted.

What happend was Fatah and Hamas started to kill each other and the Gazan people voted Hamas (a recognized terrorist group) to govern the land. Many say the election was compromised as Hamas threatened to kill whoever didn't vote for them... but that's hearsay, isn't it.

Israel is the only real ally of U.S in the Middle East. Saudi is a money generator for U.S but they do not share similar ideology, except the hatred of Iran and suppressing Iranian influence.

Israel is basically the U.S in the Middle east.

there is no question HAMAS have done wrong and are horrible in their own way.

Isreal has no interest in peace though, I know you know this deep down. Israel’s current plan is escalation and displacement of what remains of the Palestinians in Gaza.

There is no point you and I getting into detail as you will revert with something bad Hamas did to justify Israel stealing another few square miles of land. The maps speak for themselves as do the walls and the bullet holes.

This is not about stealing land. This war is about Oct 7th and the eradication of a group that is threatening more Oct 7th's.

And mention of land should not be on any table until the eradication of Hamas. If there is then Hamas have been 'rewarded' for the rape and murder of innocent people.

The issue of a right wing element in Netanyahu's government is worrying though. I certainly hope Netanyahu is removed from office as soon as this war is over and a more center (stable) government is elected.

But as I've said in previous posts.. Palestinian people need hope and it is in Israel's interest to give then hope, or more war and needless loss of life will remain.

Several days ago, Iscreamcone didn't answer me when I pointed out that the only realistic alternative to a two-state solution is a one-state solution; and then today when I pointed out that there are no other possible longterm solutions they started on with some bullshít about "Arabs would outbreed the Jews in 20 mins and run them out of the country in quick time" - their words not mine.

As though the whole idea of Israel wasn't to kill and terrorise the Arabs and force them out of their homes so that there would be more Jews than Arabs left in Palestine. So they think that's the numbers game is fine if the Jews are on top, but not if Arabs are.

And then various other hasbara posters came on stream to spew the Israeli lies over and over again as though we haven't all heard and read them ad nauseam over the past decades.

An Arab majority in Israel would be October 7th on steroids.

An Arab majority is a likely outcome. That's what happens when you take over another country, particularly when your own numbers are limited. It's exactly the same as the situation in Ireland where the British/protestant population never managed to become a majority; and the same as happened in Rhodesia (no longer with us; today Zimbabwe has taken its place), South Africa, Algeria. All countries once ruled by a settler population, and today all run by the native population.

I'd suggest that you study Algeria and South Africa for two opposing solutions. In one case, the settlers fled within weeks of being abandoned by France, in the other the Apartheid system was dismantled and most of the settlers remain. It's your choice which route you take, as the USA is in the process of disengaging from Israel because more and more Americans are horrified by Israel's appalling treatment of the Palestinian people. This is forcing a rethink in the Democratic party which will eventually lead to withdrawal of support for Zionism, and that will bring about the failure of the Zionist experiment.

Yet, when Israel hold out the hand of peace, the Palestinians bite it. Crazy isn't it. But that is what has happened.

I'm sure you are aware there are Arabs and Muslims living in Israel with more peace and security than any Arab or Muslim in another land around that region. Peace, prosperity and opportunity for all. That is a democracy isn't it? For there are elected Arab politicians sitting in the Knesset and their vote carries the same weight as any Jewish politician sitting in the same building. Furthermore, it was an Arab judge who presided over and sentenced the former President of Israel to jail during his corruption trial (Olmert). In addition, there is an israeli-arab judge currently presiding on the panel of the Supreme Court!

The military aid some might call a necessity. For there is no shortage of hatred towards the state of Israel in that region. Gaza has been provided with billions of aid, little flowed through to the people who needed it though. Hamas as the governing body of that land siphoned most of it off to finance their military/terrorist endeavours. Those rockets might not be precision guided but there also not cheap and nor is the underground network they use to hide below innocent people.

I don't believe a Netanyahu government is committed to peace, but I wholeheartedly believe the Israeli people are. Once this tragic war comes to a conclusion and the investigation in to wtf happened on Oct 7th begins with the removal of Netanyahu/Likud and the right wingers in government, there may just be a small window of opportunity to get the right people in the right positions of power to work towards a lasting peace.

My question is will the Palestinians do the same. It takes two to tango.