What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

sydthebeat · 29-12-2023 10:02AM

Trumps base do not at all need to be "galvanised"

They are so far on the kool aid they will never turn

ancapailldorcha · 29-12-2023 10:16AM

Appeasement didn't work a century ago and it's not going to work now. If Obama was a rapist who attempted a coup, he'd have been executed within a week.

pixelburp · 29-12-2023 10:20AM

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I do wonder what this is about cos it can't just be as simple as "they be racists", but equally it's hard to afford too much sympathy for a demographic for whom their sense of victimhood sounds hollow against the cries of those who were actual victims.

Maybe it's just again that inability of "America" for self reflection or interrogation of their founding structures - especially given they can barely agree to modernise their constitution, let alone consider the fact 19th America was institutionally, foundationally a racist nation

pixelburp · 29-12-2023 10:21AM

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Why should States legislate based on whether it galvanises or offends a cult like MAGA?

Ideologies are set at this stage: nothing is gonna make Trump supporters more fundamental or determined - so either laws are applied or they're not.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2023 10:34AM

If Biden runs Trump will win.

That's the real problem. That's the reason for the cynical stunts.

Biden is too frail. It's not ageism, it's just reality.

The Democrats are in trouble. They need a different candidate.

ancapailldorcha · 29-12-2023 10:50AM

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Shifting the goalposts now, I see.

You tried to shut down criticism of MAGA and Trump above and now you're pretending to be scared of a Trump win? The rapist is not getting in again. Polls almost a year away from the election aren't worth much.

pixelburp · 29-12-2023 10:54AM

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Beyond Biden's popularity, there's no indication that Trumps messaging is resonating with voters - especially as his rhetoric has only become more dictatorial. And his physical or cognitive ability is no better. Biden's a shít candidate but when the rubber hits the road we'll see - the campaign isn't officially started.

accensi0n · 29-12-2023 11:05AM

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If Trump runs Biden will win.

Trump is too frail, incoherent, racist, rapey and psychotic. It's not ageism, it's just reality.

The Republicans are in trouble. They need a different candidate.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2023 11:16AM

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I'm not scared of a Trump win though you clearly are.

I don't want to see Trump win but if it's Biden running that's what I think is going to happen.

Unless, of course, some at the top of the DNC go to see Biden with the proverbial whiskey and revolver.

Despite all the evidence that Biden is going to struggle they refuse to entertain the notion of someone else.

I think they are going to regret it.

ancapailldorcha · 29-12-2023 11:18AM

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They can't. It's too late and it'd cost them the MAGA loons. In any case, I think they only want to because the rapist is a liability, not because they disagree with or detest him in any way. If enough states actually enforce the fourteenth amendment, he won't be able to run which should always have been the case.

Funny how the lies about "states' rights" were lies all along.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2023 11:24AM

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Most of the national polls show either a dead heat or Trump ahead.

When you consider the amount of current corruption allegations, ongoing investigations, criminality and mind bending incompetence of the previous Trump administration that is an appalling indictment of the Democratic Party.

What does it tell you that this man can win?

eightieschewbaccy · 29-12-2023 11:26AM

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Thing is, they're not stunts. Plenty of constitutional experts have stated this should constitutionally prevent him from running again. Many in the GOP simply have laid the Constitution to the side at this stage. Fyi, the Utah challenge was brought by both Republicans and democrats btw.

everlast75 · 29-12-2023 11:47AM

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There is a criteria which a Candidate running for president must fulfil.

Trump was very keen to allege Obama was not eligible to run because of that criteria.

Now the criteria doesn't suit him, he and his supporters are screaming persecution.

Typical hypocrisy.

Penn · 29-12-2023 11:59AM

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That the Democrats actually care about the rule of law and Republicans don't. That Democrats don't think that a President or Presidential candidate is immune from the law. That Democrats allowed the DOJ to undertake investigations of criminality and have brought those through the correct legal and judicial proceedings as opposed to Trump who in the past few days posted a word association cloud from his supporters which had words like "Dictatorship", "Power" and "Revenge" slap bang in the middle.

"Biden is old" does not balance that out, especially given that Trump is old too. Biden can win for the same reasons he won in 2020.

He's not Trump.

PropJoe10 · 29-12-2023 12:26PM

If Trump actually cared about the wellbeing of the country he'd step aside and throw his support behind Haley. We all know it's all about The Donald though so that's never going to happen.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2023 12:35PM

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A lot of voters are fed up with the Democrats and might have a thing or two to say about some of that. They were fed up in 2016 and sent the warning then after the Democrats decided a coronation was in order.

The voters didn't want a coronation - instead they gave them a bloody nose.

Some of them may have gone back in 2020 but I wonder have they seen positive changes since then.

The rule of law point is hilarious. You can't be serious?

Also on that point look at all those cities they've destroyed by overseeing lawlessness. Just something to ponder.

Trump appears to be at parity or winning at the moment according to the polls. Voters think first and foremost about their immediate communities where Democrats routinely fail them.

That's one of the reasons why I think Trump will probably win but I think Biden pushes him over the line for me.

Like it or or not Biden is tired and frail. Trump has his cognitive issues but he is undeniably more energetic and aggressive than Biden. Even just thinking of the debates makes me shudder for Biden.

He is not the right man to beat Trump this time. Anyone who thinks he is is suffering the same delusions as the Democrats in 2016 in my opinion.

bucketybuck · 29-12-2023 12:43PM

Its funny that you think Trump would show up for any debate.

briany · 29-12-2023 12:46PM

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There is no principle above Trump in the minds of those who support him fully. If it favours him, it is good. If it does not favour him, it is bad.

sydthebeat · 29-12-2023 12:52PM

Seeing "aggressive" as being a positive trait in a politician says enough about people's understanding of politics

Dohnjoe · 29-12-2023 12:54PM

Surely MAGA are going to make moves to get Biden removed from the ballet in one of their red states because revenge

pleasant Co. · 29-12-2023 01:01PM

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Like their exploratory impeachment to nowhere? Any day now.

Leroy42 · 29-12-2023 01:05PM

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How can you not be scared of a Trump win? The very essence of American democracy is at stake.

Trump has already said he will be a dictator. He only speaks about revenge and getting rid of his opponents. He will not accept any result other than he wins. He said it in 2016 and 2020 but in 2020 he proved to what lengths he will actually go to try to overturn the election.

And he is still lying about it.

American is at a cross roads. Either opt for democracy, with it flaws, or throw away democracy and the rule of law by voting for Trump.

Be in no doubt. If Trump were to win, he would see that, rightfully, as an endorsement of his call for dictatorship and allowing certain people to be above the law. American democracy will be finished

briany · 29-12-2023 01:06PM

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They will certainly want to do that, but Trump would be removed from ballots because of law. In what way could the same thing be done to Biden? If there was even a tenuous case to make, you'd think Trump would have been shouting about it from the rooftops, yet he's remarkably silent.

Cases may be brought forward, but they will only serve to muddy the waters, very similar to the 'election fraud' fabrication. Bringing legal cases forward helps promote an air of legitimacy, even though they could be picked apart by any law graduate and thrown out of every level of court with prejudice.

pixelburp · 29-12-2023 01:13PM

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Perhaps but their own attempts to indict Biden have so far been a waste of time and resources, with nothing to show for it; so I doubt a pursuit of removing him from ballot cards will be any more successful.

Igotadose · 29-12-2023 01:19PM

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As always with MAGA, it's the sizzle not the steak. Of course some of the usual suspect GQP s*holes like Florida and Texas had guys with microphones who were elected say something, but they're just lip-flapping for clicks:

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-threaten-take-joe-biden-off-ballot-trump-colorado-1854067

Whether they succeed is irrelevant; it's Trump's GQP - they only lose.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-12-2023 01:23PM

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If Trump wins it will be the failure of the Democratic party not the success of Republicans.

It's in the hands of the Democrats.

No, I'm not scared of a Trump presidency. If he's elected one way or another that is the will of the voters. There are many checks and balances. It's not as simple as him saying he's going to be a dictator on day one. You give him too much credit.

We'll have to deal with it if it happens but in that instance put the blame where it belongs - at the feet of the Democrats.

I'd love someone to explain why they think Biden is the right candidate. All I see is "he's not the best...". Change it then? Still time.

briany · 29-12-2023 01:25PM

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I had worried that red states may possibly opt to suspend elections altogether and opt for a state legislature vote on who to send its electors to vote for, but looking into it a little bit more, does something like the Moore vs. Harper case set a legal precedent against this?

The elections clause of the US constitution would seem to be clear that it's a state's right (pending congressional alteration) to chose how it conducts its elections, but there's obviously more to it if and when there is a suspicion of flagrant political bias,

Section 4 Congress

Clause 1 Elections Clause

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

kowloon · 29-12-2023 01:33PM

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Would all Trump's current supporters be able to vote for a woman with Indian immigrant Sikh parents? I think it might be too much for some of them but there has to be a huge element of "It can't be a discriminatory policy if it comes from one of those people" if she has gotten this far.

martingriff · 29-12-2023 01:35PM

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Oh I can tell you what he has over Melania. He'll she has ever said it herself and it's Baron her son

ancapailldorcha · 29-12-2023 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121547033#Comment_121547033

No, it'll be the GOP's. Whoever takes a course of action is responsible for it, Trumpster tropes notwithstanding.

Biden's been a good president. Even if he wasn't and instead he spent all of his time playing Fortnite, he'd be a better candidate than an actual fascist. That this needs explaining is just depressing.

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