Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Quin_Dub · 01-12-2023 04:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121438456#Comment_121438456

He already did it.

Reposted a bunch of crazy allegations about Engorons wife - claiming that some anonymous Anti-Trump **** poster on Twitter is actually her (HINT - It isn't).

Laura Loomer is the source of this claim which should tell you all you need to know..

Nody · 01-12-2023 05:38PM

Poor Trump, turns out that as president you're not immune to everything under the law...

Former President Donald Trump can be sued in civil lawsuits related to the January 6, 2021, US Capitol riot in a long-awaited, consequential decision from the federal appeals court in Washington, DC.

The opinion, written by Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan, states that not everything a president does or says while in office is protected from liability.

The president “does not spend every minute of every day exercising official responsibilities,” the opinion said. “And when he acts outside the functions of his office, he does not continue to enjoy immunity. … When he acts in an unofficial, private capacity, he is subject to civil suits like any private citizen.”

Trump moved to dismiss the lawsuits against him on several grounds, including presidential immunity, which the DC District Court rejected, saying that the former president’s actions in the lead-up to the riot at the US Capitol riot were all an effort to remain in office and not official functions of his presidency.

The district court did find that Trump was protected by presidential immunity from the claim that he failed to stop to the riot, saying that he would be acting in his official presidential powers in that instance.

The appeals court opinion on Friday distinguished between campaign speech a president seeking reelection might make and official actions of the presidency.

Trump had argued in court he was immune for anything he said while president, but the court found that is not the case – specifying that the January 6 Trump rally that preceded the riot at the Capitol is potentially part of his campaign.

Glencarraig · 01-12-2023 08:23PM

I see The Chump is in more bother with the judges. He apparently transferred 40 million dollars to pay taxes !!!! and what he had to lodge to pay the damages awarded to E. Jean Carroll without informing his financial examiner appointed by the courts. They have now made it very difficult for him by tightening up the powers of the examiner.

aloyisious · 01-12-2023 11:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121442870#Comment_121442870

Is LL still banned from twitter and/or using Truth Social as a broadcast station? Edit; Ignore my question, I see that the X factor intervened after he bought Twitter and gave her account back to her.

aloyisious · 02-12-2023 11:17AM

I'm taking it for granted that the GOP will have a replacement for George Santos well lined-up and cued for a new role in New York. How soon will the next election be to get an accurate read on how the current status of Trumpism has affected the feelings of the New York voters?

Can any outcome damaging to the GOP then be read properly to be a comment on the leading GOP figure running for the presidency? Will a tidal effect swamp his boat?

I'm expecting that despite any negative result for the GOP and [as a result] for Trump, he will carry on as usual and brush it off as fake news and of no consequence on his platform.

Podge_irl · 02-12-2023 01:39PM

It will be a special election in a district Biden carried and the NY Democratic party will presumably not be as incompetent as they were in the last election.

Not sure much can be read into a D win in the seat.

Nody · 02-12-2023 06:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121445128#Comment_121445128

Santos was more a fluke exception at a time when the NY Ds there did an unusually terrible job than anything else; anything but a D coming out from the special election would be seen as a miracle.

Rjd2 · 02-12-2023 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446270#Comment_121446270

New York Dems can be useless more often than not tbf.

Genuinely shocking and obviously somewhat funny how this guy was not rumbled before he ran, going to be a hell of a movie in a few years!

Regarding replacing him, all these special elections matter but when it comes to 2024 Trump has a big section of the party who are only trump, does not matter how much others cosplay as MAGA they only will come out for Trump. Its what makes 2024 so tricky to predict sadly.

aloyisious · 02-12-2023 09:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121446620#Comment_121446620

When a party chooses some-one like Trump as head of party, it opened the door for carpetbaggers and other liars like Santos.

Trumpism as a creed seems to be as necessary an item for an adult GOP voter to have as much as a GOP membership. The insanity of a creed like that being thought necessary to a party is a reflection on the mental health of the GOP party. One can only hope it's another transmittable creed that surgery, as practiced in Europe some decades past, can cut out of the body politic.

Trump's lawyer saying that his client should not face trial in Georgia and other US states for offences under state laws, not federal laws, next year if he wins the election because it would prevent him from carrying out his presidential duties is more of that creed. It's a de facto recognition by the lawyer that his client is likely to be found guilty of [as the common expression says] multiple offences under state laws which Trump could not sweep aside under a blanket self-pardon.

aloyisious · 03-12-2023 09:48PM

In part of his comments on what's happening in the GOP, speaker Johnson disagreed with what happened to Rep Santos as he had not been tried in court. Like it or not, he seems to disagree with the large number of other GOP Reps who voted to expel Santos from the house and cause the NY Governor to find a replacement for Santos via a special election.

If that's his position on Santos after that person was found to have lied to their party Reps, voters and funders, it doesn't take much to work out what his position is on the more senior RINO living in Florida.

aloyisious · 06-12-2023 11:14PM

Has the stress of the situation Trump has landed himself in since 2020 started to upset his balance and reading of things presently? He seems to have made some verbal gaffes over the past few days, similar to the errors he regularly accuses Biden of making.

His affairs of court are a separate matter, something he hasn't quite got around to yet claiming he's an expert on.

Nody · 08-12-2023 02:38PM

Another 2020 elector conspirator flips but I'm sure Trump don't know who he is or has in any way worked with him...

The pro-Trump lawyer who helped devise the 2020 fake electors plot and already pleaded guilty to the conspiracy in Georgia is now cooperating with Michigan and Wisconsin state investigators in hopes of avoiding more criminal charges, multiple sources told CNN.

Kenneth Chesebro, was at the center of efforts by former President Donald Trump to subvert the Electoral College and overturn his defeat – Chesebro is now helping investigators in at least four states who are looking into the scheme.

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-12-2023 02:18PM

Rudyard in court today to find out how much his lies are going to cost him, hopefully somewhere in the Alex Jones regio

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1734204422702395442?t=SLRyHsSXfPDoR9-8dYLvhg&s=19

Brussels Sprout · 11-12-2023 03:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121464730#Comment_121464730

He's definitely lost a step in terms of his mental sharpness. I am very curious to see how he will be managed next year. So far he's either doing softball interviews with the likes of Sean Hannity or doing rallies in front of adoring fans. Even in those forums he goes off an absolutely crazy rambling tangents and makes stupid slip-ups.

I don't believe that his team will want him to debate Joe Biden next year. Having them next to each other for 90 minutes will make it obvious that Trump is at least, if not worse, than Biden when it comes to age-related mental decline. The question is will Trumps ego allow him to duck them. He ducked the Republican debates but that's because he was so far ahead that there was no downside to that. He's not going to be 40 points ahead of Biden though and ducking those debates will look weak instead of strong.

Quin_Dub · 11-12-2023 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482952#Comment_121482952

It won't be that high given there's only 2 "injured parties" but it's certainly going to be several million each for the two women and Rudi doesn't have the proverbial pot to piss in right now and no one is going to bank-roll him least of all Trump.

Rjd2 · 11-12-2023 03:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483267#Comment_121483267

Megyn Kelly was openly questioning Trump's mental capabilities the other day, it wasn't the most aggressive but he lost the plot on truth social and obviously if Kelly who is a hardcore Republican can spot it then so can anyone.

Skipping the primary debates was a good idea, because I think all of the candidates bar Vivek and to a lesser extent Scott would have gone for his throat and he would not have been comfortable whatsoever.

I don't think he will duck the Biden debates though, even if he wants to secretly. The base will never desert him but their is a lot of undecided voters out their who are keen on neither who won't tolerate him skipping them.

Nody · 11-12-2023 07:41PM

Well this is going to be an interesting appeal to see...

Special counsel Jack Smith on Monday asked the Supreme Court to decide whether Donald Trump has any immunity from criminal prosecution for alleged crimes he committed while in office – the first time that the high court will weigh in on the historic prosecution of the former president.

Smith’s team has asked the court to review district Judge’s Tanya Chutkan ruling that as a former president, Trump is not immune from the election subversion prosecution case brought in Washington DC. Lawyers for the former president have argued that Trump’s alleged actions over the 2020 election results were part of his official duties at the time and therefore he is protected by presidential immunity.

If the SC rules against Trump I expect the mother of all rants to happen; if they rule for him then I'd expect some of the other cases will fall as well; will be interesting to see if SC has the cohones to actually rule on it and if so how they rule.

Quin_Dub · 11-12-2023 11:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484299#Comment_121484299

They've taken up the case on an accelerated schedule - Trumps lawyers must respond by the 20th of December.

Frankly if they rule for Trump in this instance then the US is over as a Democracy - Basically they would be saying that as long as a President had control over 41% of the Senate, thereby protecting themselves from Impeachment they can basically commit any crime they like with absolute impunity - ~Including refusing to leave Office after losing an Election.

amandstu · 12-12-2023 12:09AM

Is part of Jack Smith's rationale that he may get this whole thing heard before the General election?

Is he in part just trying to speed up the process whereas it seems in Trump's interest to slow it down?

Quin_Dub · 12-12-2023 12:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485251#Comment_121485251

Bit of both - This issue was always going to end up in the Supreme Court , but Trump would have slow walked it through every stage of the appeals process before getting there.

This basically removes 6-9 months of Trumps delaying tactics and on the assumption that the Supreme court agree that a President does not have "absolute immunity" then it potentially allows for the case to move ahead in March as currently planned.

However , if Trump loses this appeal he'll conjure up many many more spurious arguments to try to delay the case until after the Election.

Sam Russell · 12-12-2023 12:28AM

Could the SCOTUS decide, as part of their judgement, to rule Trump is unfit for office if he is convicted of the offences in Georgia, or in any state?

aloyisious · 12-12-2023 12:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121484299#Comment_121484299

Smith's case could be helped if the former president's lawyers turn up at the USSC hearing with their client, especially if he exercises his right to free speech to the media on the steps outside the court building. It'd be good if the judges had a live feed of Trump on the TV's in their chambers answering media questions about his spoken plans to be a dictator on being re-elected. They could be forced by Trump's free expression of his views to take another look at what a former president is currently being allowed get away with merely because he is a former president. A bit of verbal help [direct evidence] from judges serving in lower courts to their colleagues in the higher court could tip the balance toward balancing the political books in the US. Trump has reportedly said he will not be testifying in court in NY in respect to the case being heard there. I'd imagine his lawyers would be happy at that.

amandstu · 12-12-2023 02:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485279#Comment_121485279

No expert or even well enough informed but I would have thought even the Supreme Court would be constrained in their ruling by the particular issue they are presented with (and what might be immediately tangential)

I can't see what you are asking as fitting that criteria but I will buy you a beer if it is and they do

pixelburp · 12-12-2023 07:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485209#Comment_121485209

It'll basically go some way to test just how popular the Unitary Executive Theory is among the SC. It's not specifically what the judgement is about but that's what it'll boil down to - another test of the President's powers.

Of course a normal democracy might then try to add some retrospective guard rails to tighten up these ludicrous loopholes that might indeed allow a President-Dictator ... but American doesn't do Constitutional reform

aloyisious · 14-12-2023 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485476#Comment_121485476

I'm assuming that the SC is keeping an eye on what Trump has been sprouting to his fanbase from the court steps and public events about his plans for the future, including singular leadership. If they refuse to recognize that he will take steps to brush aside any legal - including constitutional - restraints and obligations put on him if [and when] they get in his way when [and the conspiracy nutters in the GOP] he gets back into the Oval Office, the SC may rue it when they are "invited" to step aside or told the SC is surplus to his requirements. Given all that's gone on since 2020 with lawyers [incl the statement in the House "We are a nations of laws" by the man leading Trump's prosecution] Trump may well be sick up to his teeth with lawyers and the rule of law getting in his way. He has a lot of support for his position amongst the lawmakers in both houses, all for their own benefit of course at the moment.

evolvingtipperary101 · 15-12-2023 01:29PM

This is very interesting

The mystery of the missing binder: How a collection of raw Russian intelligence disappeared under Trump - CNN

duploelabs · 15-12-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121499016#Comment_121499016

It's in the Jack's cistern of Mar a lardo

Sam Russell · 15-12-2023 03:04PM

Or in Putin's safe.

ilkhanid · 16-12-2023 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493507#Comment_121493507

"Lawmakers" who increasingly have contempt for the law.

aloyisious · 20-12-2023 01:01AM

From the internet: Donald Trump disqualified from holding office again by Colorado Supreme Court.

Story by Kanishka Singh, Costas Pitas and Dan Whitcomb •

1h. The Colorado Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that former President Donald Trump is disqualified from holding office and is removed from the state's 2024 ballot over the 2021 US Capitol attack, a court filing showed.

The ruling makes Trump the first presidential candidate in US history to be deemed ineligible for the White House under a rarely used provision of the US Constitution that bars officials who have engaged in “insurrection or rebellion” from holding office.

This, if it is a genuine report of a Colorado State Supreme Court decision, and is let stand after legal challenge in a superior appeal court, should excite the person most affected into a public response.

There is so much being published over the net from people determined to wreck the US election system with fake news stories [on the lines of Cambridge Analytics game-playing] all for the benefit of one candidate that their game [unfortunately] may be so close to success that I have doubted the truth of this Colorado Court decision report.

Reuters and US News agencies are covering the report.

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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