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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Haven't vaccinated for anything here with about 15 years. Getting on fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Well actually the only vaccine we use is Bivipast and Tribovac on the calves, cows get nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I vaccinate

    calves for pneumonia with bovipast and also blackleg

    calves also get ibr live in October and then a second shot following march pre breeding ….then just yearly with cows

    all breeding heifers and cows are covered for lepto in janurary

    all in calf heifers and in calf cows covered for salmonella in august/September

    I dropped bvd 5 years ago with no effect touch wood .would never drop lepto as you can also get if not salmonella after an outbreak about 10 years back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Do you buy in much stock …..salmonella not pretty if cows get it



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t bother vaccinating for anything except blackleg. My herd is high in ibr and lepto. Really I should be doing them for lepto for my own health reasons. I did for a few years but I really hate under the skin injections. Found it too much hassle as well. Someone I respect told me he used vaccinate for everything and stopped a few years ago and have seen no difference since.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The figures financially aren't stacking up, renting ground at current milk prices it's a loss making enterprise, having issues with my back and only having to do have the pulling and dragging physically re milking/calving etc will actually be a major plus, if you take into account each extra cow is circa 20-25 man hours a year, your basically freeing up 40 odd hours a week anyways.....

    Single income household here too, with 3 kids under 6, have to go a route thats financially secure for them with a guaranteed income coming in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I know a lad that did similar ….was vaccinating for bvd lepto salmonella and ibr ….dropped them all ended up with bad salmonella outbreak and issue with cows with high temps /runny noses during may/June ……lost good few cows and also loss of milk volume and subsequent high empty rate from ibr …..back vaccinating now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,700 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    can your wife go back working jay ?

    my wife is full time working. 1-2 days are in the office. Rest are at home. On a savage wage. As much as she’d like to be at home she would be mad to give it up with how flexible it is

    we have the au pair which takes up the slack on minding the kids



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    She's actually just gone back doing 3 days a week as a receptionist, after childcare is paid she's coming out with a 140 a week for herself, so pocket money basically, down the line 3 years time when the 2 year old starts school might be a option but it's a non-runner at the minute



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    What age is your father? you were saying lately he’s drawing a significant amount each year from the farm will he continue to do so even if you scale back? That’s is a severe strain on the system did you say ge was pulling 40-50k a year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Mid 60's theirs a agreement when I got half the farm signed over to us of a minimum payment of 2k a month, its a row that will have to be had, I'm literally going backwards financially at a rate of knots and it can't really be sustained at current milk prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,764 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I dropped vaccination for ibr. A few years later (2 years ago) had trouble with it coming back and it affected fertility and milk yield for the year.

    So went back vaccinating straight away but the damage was done. Six months later I went onto a homeopathy vaccine for ibr, salmonella, bvd and now I'm on that. Gave last winter for the first time and to me looking at stock looks good. A good few farmers in the region in Ireland would be using same for years so not really flying blind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    With three kids under 6 and the system under pressure it’s a conversation that needs to be had in a year like we’ve just had that is an absolute killer. Is he dependent on that income or in receipt of any form of pension or off farm income?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Bear in mind Im probably saying nothing you're not we'll aware if but it needn't be a row. You're in a very responsible and vulnerable position. Be sure and look out for yourself, pressure is often a precursor to an accident or illness.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    She does need time away from the kids and vice versa even at 140



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m also paying parents 20k a year for the past number of years. It’s ridiculous and would really pee you off along with running household with them in it. I’m effectively renting my own farm. I won’t mind but the place is in an awful state. Their down as employees but don’t do anything on the farm, accountants advise. Once you start paying theirs no way of getting out of it, would be nothing but rows and bad blood. It’s some drain on resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Is the 2k down as wages or rent. Will the other half of the land be going your way in time.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    We approaching the other end and I m planning to hand over in 8 years when I ll be 62 and I was wondering would you ask your son/daughter to do the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Out of interest to those paying money to their parents - if ye stopped, would they be OK? Like have they other income?

    I don't think many should begrudge paying parents money. After all, they probably transferred a valuable asset to you for little or nothing. And they were most likely paying for you out of it previously be that education, pocket money, few bob for working, whatever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,322 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I pay monthly. I don't mind paying it. They have other income. They did reduce it a bit from when we started out and offered to stop it a few years ago but I still pay it. If it was putting me under pressure I'd say it to them



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mine are getting pension’s and have very healthy bank balances, they’re in their 80’s. I was very badly paid with feck all time off when I was the employee. I know, my own fault. I had Teagasc advisor out not so long ago and was told that for all intents and purpose’s I had no facilities which I agreed with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I dropped vaccination for IBR on my vets advice a few years ago too, despite high antibody readings, we had no clinical symptoms. Readings are still high but apart from the odd snot and wet nose, we have no issues with fertility or milk loss, touch wood.

    We stopped vaccinating for Salmonella as well as the only cases we ever had were on a leased farm that we finished with 6 years. We had a sick cow last autumn and sure enough the dung sample came back positive so we started again. Nothing serious thankfully.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would say it depends if the farm has up to date facilities and if they were/are employees that they were properly paid as such. If you sign farm over and they are expected to pay bank 6 figures sums to pass inspections straight away then forget about asking them for some sort of wage payment. Younger people are smarter and have more options then ever before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭green daries




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    You’re obsessed with that au pair.

    Will you throw up a pic and we can see what all the fuss is about then 😂😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,659 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    When I was retiring I was keen to transfer the farm but didn't have suitable person, some were going through marriage break up, others were too well off to have a farm messing up their lives.

    Anyway I've done a 180 now and going to leave it to the will. very happy with the way things are going at the moment

    Young people shouldn't commit themselves until they discuss it in front of your accountant who'll know the history of the farm,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Not going to give the full rundown but he had a meltdown mid way through the transfer process and wasn't going to go ahead with it all, bearing in mind I've had sole responsibility for this place since I was 14, mid 30's now and have had to pump in over half a million of borrowed money of my own back with no collateral our land to fall back on, the biggest mistake made was I was given the old farm-house as a home, but it's a rope around my neck so to speak, I should of went and built a house before I started back home and had some security for myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I’ve wore and continue to wear that t shirt …I got the farm my responsibility I’m told by my siblings even tho they’ve gotten very well looked after …..it’s a crippling drain



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭green daries


    Absolutely I'd agree there 💯 two grand Is big money for you to be paying out especially this year . But definitely look after yourself and your family first



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