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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,700 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Everton have every right to feel aggrieved, not for the fact that they have been punished, but that the PL aren’t treating their members equally. City were already caught by UEFA who then tried to throw them out of the CL. City took it to CAS and got off because of statute of limitations, not because they weren’t guilty of the offences. City have already been found guilty of this stuff. It’s cut and dried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    Probably the best season to get a 10 point deduction. I'd imagine they'll stay up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    One rule for the rich and another rule for the rest. Joke.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Will last years relegated teams now sue Everton? Have they a case there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Is there a decision on Man City pending and expected soon? What about Chelsea, surely there’s something there? Seems strange that Everton are first on the chopping block for financial irregularities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    Well worded response from Everton

    The club believes that the commission has imposed a wholly disproportionate and unjust sporting sanction … Everton maintains that it has been open and transparent in the information it has provided to the Premier League and that it has always respected the integrity of the process.

    “The club will also monitor with great interest the decisions made in any other cases concerning the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules.”

    Interesting times ahead.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,360 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    City must be going down to the GM Vauxhall then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Heighway61


    A lot posts on this thread defending man city are wilfully ignorant. Under the counter payments, shell companies to hide the money trail, wining and dining referees, an owner who is a royal in a hereditary absolute monarchy and is deputy prime minister of a country with apalling human rights, Manchester City is a corrupt football club. Everybody knows what is going on. All those within football, the fans, club owners, commentators, pundits, broadcasters, the governing bodies, and those outside of football looking in, journalists, financial experts, those in other businesses and industries, those who take the blue coin and those who don't. All know. Manchester City fans know. They are defensive as any fan of any club is against an accusation, are defensive because of possible punishment, but most of all are defensive because any and every trophy win is tainted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,591 ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Leeds and Burnley dropped legal action against the PL after being told that Everton didn't break the rules. Now it turns out they did. I can see barristers being very busy now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,826 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You seem to be tryna argue a point while simultaneously disproving it.

    It started with you talking about success boosting teams, yet now you seem focused on individual sales which doesnt corresspond to team sales.

    Bizarre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    I can see this as being the start of a return to the Super League idea.

    Barcelona and Real never really gave up on it. I'm nor sure what Juve's current position is after their punishment last season. Chelsea and City are under scrutiny for past dealings, Newcastle will be as well at some point. All the money coming from and the talent pouring into Saudi Arabia will be a factor, too.

    Instead of facing the music, I can see clubs like City and Chelsea crying 'persecution', picking up their ball and walking off to play in a tournament that doesn't care how or where they get their money from. Other big clubs will wait and see but money talks and if the money is in the Super League, they will go as well.

    A re-imagined Super League with 'invited' Saudi/UAE teams can't be too far away. Or that idea about the expanded FIFA Club Championship that has been touted for years.

    Look how FIFA backed the inaugural African Football League (originally called the African Super League) this year. CAF already has a Champion's League and the Confederation Cup (their Europa League). The competing teams were chosen and the prize money was a lot higher than that for other CAF tournaments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


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  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would like a Super League without any of the traditional teams in it. Let City, PSG, Chelsea, Newcastle and the Saudi clubs have their money pit league where finances don't matter.

    I still don't see how the Super League would be good for the teams being run properly. Finish in the bottom half every year and no draft system or anything to even the field. The mega clubs just spend more and more to push you down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    Who's going to watch a Super League with city and Chelsea.

    Whether we like it or not, the big attractions in English football are Manchester United and Liverpool, followed by Arsenal and a couple of others. If Manchester city were relegated to the Conference, nobody apart from their fans would really care. They're not a big draw, the big TV deals are not because of them. The next TV deal will be huge regardless of whether city are in the PL. You couldn't say the same if United and Liverpool had left to join another tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,944 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    What people need to realise about the City thing is that they will not make a decision until it is utterly and completely watertight.

    The fact is that City have already warned that they will use every avenue necessary to defend the club; and while Everton can fight it if they want, they don't have a State backing them, and that makes a difference I'm afraid. They can pump billions into any defence and waste the authority's money in the courts.

    Everyone knows what they've done. Everyone knows they've cheated.

    We can talk about technicalities that they might have exploited, or they can point to obscure ways they may have stayed within the rules while actually breaking the rules, but everyone knows that they have cheated - the issue at the moment is nailing it in such a way that there can be no recourse, because it'll be fúcking expensive if there is, and Abu Dhabi will have no issue with destroying the PL.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,005 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You know they'll get away with it. You at least doubt they'll get any penalties.

    They'll accept financial hits but nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,005 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You must be reading it wrong. I said the top jersey sellers are all there due to success. I also said that success makes teams more popular in the same post. A player isn't getting popular on his own, the team becomes popular and that makes him a bigger star.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Suvarnabhumi


    I don't think they'll get to choose their punishment (if they get one).

    They have irrifutable evidence that everything is above board anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bluebb993


    Had a ticket for spurs at home myself last year which turned out to be the weekend the quenn died. All of us flew over for the weekend anyway and we all handed back the tickets for the rescheduled game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I tend to believe that the situations with Everton and Chelsea are being pursued with a view to setting a precedent for the City case.

    City will doubtlessly claim they are being singled out, with these separate cases that gets blown out of the water.

    I'd like to think the Premier League's end game is to really harshly punish City, time will tell, but it really should be the outcome, relegation etc should all be on the cards.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,156 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    isn't the Everton case more clear cut than City - i.e. Everton exceeded the loss limit, and admitted it but pleaded special circumstances.

    City have fiddled the books to make all their dubious deals look legit, and the PL has to prove that against a club with bottomless resources for lawyers and accountants.

    Everton will stay up this year, as Dyche has started to implement his style and there are at least 4 much worse teams. But the teams that were relegated last year should definitely be suing for damages.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The Premier League:Strong on the Weak, but Weak on the Strong!

    I've no problem with punishing Everton, but let the punishment be consistent for everyone. That's not happening... by the time they conclude their cases (x115) against City, it will be pointless, the big rich clubs will have moved on to a Super League of some sorts and the punishment will be pointless.

    Nobody cares, the likes of Everton are small potatoes and are disposable. They gambled on winning the race to build their new stadium before they crashed.l,and it looks like they lost that race. They can still survive in the EPL though, and I hope they do, they are starting to play well enough and there are some poor sides at the bottom of the league.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If they don't punish City the Premier League loses all authority, let City off it paves the way for the return of the Super League and it will be driven by City and Newcastle because there will be no sporting authority to challenge them.

    It isn't just about putting City in their place, it's also about retaining their own relevance long term.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    What would be your solution? Deduct the points from Manchester City now and if they beat the case in a few years give them back? Everton were found guilty, there has yet to be a ruling on Manchester City so we don't know if the punishment is consistent because it hasn't happened yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    If City go unpunished after this I can see a lot of fans losing interest in the league and switching off. The credibility of the league is on the line I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,157 ✭✭✭✭eh i dunno


    So if the relegated clubs sue Everton for loss of earnings what happens if city get sanctions. Will all the clubs that finished fifth for years then sue them millions for loss of champions league earnings. The premier league is going to have some nightmare on its hands after this.



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