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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    A lot of Dubs was trying to over play the Dessie Farrell factor. He has a stocked management team to help him along including Pat Gilroy whom returned.

    Better strength in depth than last year for the All Ireland semi final (only lost by 1 point to Kerry) with Con Callaghan, Paul Mannion, Jack McCaffrey and Cluxton back.

    Their fitness and conditioning was highlighted against Mayo or be it that was Mayo's 3rd match in 14 days. Monaghans best hope is keeping the game as low scoring as possible. Scoring averages above doesn't bode well for them.

    Have a feeling kerry v Derry could well turn into a semi final like we had in 2011 between Dublin and Donegal the pundits and journalists will have a field day if that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I feel most neutrals want the Dublin Kerry final, it would be a great football contest and would save what so far has been a damp squib of a championship. Its unusual that the underdogs don't have the backing of the neutral but Derry are a horrible team to watch and play the worst brand of anti football that has ever been produced by a county team and I for one hope they are soundly beaten and I have no love for Kerry. Monaghan seem to have stumbled into this stage of the championship and I think Dublin will swat them aside with little fuss. I'm actually more enthused by the Tailteann Cup final than any of these semi's. Be interesting to see how Meath have refined their tactics over the course of the competition and how they cope against an ultra coached Down team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Gael85



    Stocked management team? Dessie has same backroom team as other years bar Pat Gilroy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I could invent stuff about the neutrals as well, even though I have no way of knowing what they think. The underdogs will have the support of the vast majority of neutrals, who want to see new counties coming through. The other seven counties in Ulster will be fully behind Derry and Monaghan. And Meath and Cork people will want to see Dublin and Kerry getting beaten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Monaghan will keep it compact, will look to be still in it Entering the last quarter, but ultimately the Dublin bench will probably push them on late on, a depth that Monaghan don't have. Monaghan are capable of getting 12 or 13 points, which probably won't be enough. If Dublin hit the net early on it'll be curtains.

    Derry might pose Kerry bigger issues. IF, and it's a bit if, they can hold Clifford to what a normal human can do that do have a chance here. Kerry went well at Centerfield last time, but one swallow does not a Summer make, and Glass and Rogers can get on top there, and if Derry manage to hold possession then who knows? Strange things happen in these big games, something like a sending off (Paudie I'm looking at you) or somebody doing something dumb can have a big impact.

    Sean O Se needs to step up and take some weight off Clifford's shoulders I feel.

    As with Monaghan, I'm more interested in seeing how Derry can change possession I to scores. They are innovative in how they flood players forward at pace, and it can throw off a lot of teams defensive structures, so let's see how Kerry cope.

    Unfair calling it anti-football though, it's important tbatteams play their own strengths and style and not listen to the dinosaurs and cynics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,666 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Dessie got the greatest team of all time relegated and the way they were playing at times was headless and flat.

    Still one of the best teams but that doesn't mean he is not a liability.

    As a neutral if Kerry are in the final I want it to be against Dublin. Derry vs Monaghan would be amazing but either team vs Kerry I would be worried will be an underwhelming outcome for the romantics.

    Dublin vs anyone is grand because you always have the fun of the whole country shouting against the Dubs 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,334 ✭✭✭HBC08


    As much as the majority of the country dislike Dublin and some kerry it's the best outcome from the current 4 teams for a final.Ill still shout for Monaghan though as they are a gutsy team with great heart and some great warhorses with a tiny pick,true underdogs.

    I don't see how anybody outside of Derry could possibly shout for them and what they're peddling as football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    You don't need to be a brain surgeon to know which final pairing the neutral fan would part with cash to go and see. If Derry do shock Kerry it would be a hammer blow for football to see them, as they do in every game they play, reduce the crowd to bored silence on All Ireland final day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Derry are scoring just about enough to be a real challenger at this stage, 1-17.

    Kerry have a much bigger scoring average but there are at least two turkey shoots in Tipp and Clare in that.

    Interestingly Kerry are conceding less than Derry 13 to 1-12 on average.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Let’s just hope we have good enjoyable games of football, not just a pulling and dragging and falling borefest.

    And that’s apart from from 40 or 50 handpasses to gain 10 yards in their own half.

    Watch out for the number of steps taken……note to the referee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,666 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The stats posted up thread would suggest thats all in some peoples heads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Do the neturals really want to see Dublin or Kerry adding to their combined 68 titles, which is more than all the other counties together? Or would they not rather the two other counties who have one between them getting the title?

    As for steps, Dublin and Kerry players get away with it more than anyone else. (I just made that up). Every game that I saw on TV has numerous occasions where the steps rule is broken. It probably takes less than a second to run 5 steps. But woe betide any referee that starts blowing up for 5 steps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,730 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I would love to see the Derry keeper caught out and Clifford to lob in a goal when he ventures up the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I would love to see different counties winning the big prize. However for the sake of the game I want to see Kerry and Dublin contesting this years final. Both are one of a handful of counties who still kick the football. Winning teams at county level are aped by every club team in the land and I want club teams to see that kicking the football is an important part of trying to win games.

    If Derry do win the All Ireland imagine the knock on effect to the club game. Clubs trying to get 2 or 3 points ahead and then attempting to shut down the contest with mass defending and keep ball at walking pace in their own half. I see a club in my own county with a lot of young talent adopting this approach and it is depressing to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I remarked on the thread during the Dublin Mayo game how Dublin had all 15 in their own half at times. I will be watching out for Kerry doing that on Sunday. They are no different than any other teams, defend in numbers and attack in numbers. And I don't recognise them has being one of a handful of counties who still kick the ball. Nice soundbite, but makes no sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Both Dublin and Kerry use kickpassing in the transition from defence to attack much more than other counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,666 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm really starting to want Derry to win this All Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,666 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Most Boardsie's tend to use fromoutoftheirar.se

    Some people seem to think it's a very accurate site but I think it's a bit of a hole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭tobesure


    A damp squib of a championship so far. I think the championship needs a Dublin/Kerry Final more than anything else.

    After the boring group stage, we were told it was going to ramp up from then on. Only Galway/Mayo was anyways exciting.

    I think Derry and Kerry could be a good match but other than that, we're looking at like a maximum 4 games of the whole AI championship potentially that are very enjoyable to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    It’s called common sense, people watch games, people notice things, they remember things.

    Why in fuhherkes name does everything have to come down to stats.

    The boy Breezy is correct as anyone who watches football can attest to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    That is still a large minority shouting for Derry and Monaghan. I was at the Cork Derry game. And God, it was shocking boring. I don't think I could shout for Derry in a game, even if it was an All-Ireland in which Dublin were going for 20-in-a-row.

    I think Monaghan play some form of attacking football - at least the half-backs get involved and tack on a few scores. And they have McCarron and a couple of Hughes who have been great servants. And of course the mighty McManus. But I think they will play so defense tomorrow, that it will just put me off shouting for them. Of course, for their own sake, they are probably better off doing that, as they are a lot more limited than Dublin in terms of football ability and athleticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    When teams are not competitive you get lots of "good" football, with more kick passing. Like Tipp v Kerry or Dublin v Laois this year, massive winning margins. Is that a better spectacle than hard fought games which are nip and tuck? Like Monaghan v Armagh which went to penalties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If someone gives a stat (Dublin and Kerry do the most kick passing), then it has to come from somewhere. I noticed things like Dublin having all of their players in their own half. But I don't use that to make up stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,667 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    There is something that any cup competition needs for it to be good/interesting.

    Cup runs.

    All the interest, passion, tension, anticipation and excitement comes from your team going on a cup run, which builds and feeds on itself until it ends in either success or failure.

    Unfortunately the GAA in its wisdom has decided that they need to change the format to one that removes cup runs. Now we have the usual teams playing out meaningless league games behind a paywall and when the same old same old fart out into the semi finals, nobody gives a **** because there was no momentum behind any of it.

    Nobody could possibly have predicted this of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,696 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    You have a team which only ever reached one "Cup Final" in the past and they lost that. And a team which won one and lost one. Against two teams who have 68 Cups between them. Bit of a fairy story there, rather than a damp squib.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,666 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Wait Derry and Monaghan are the usual teams 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,914 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    ???

    Tyrone almost got knocked out by westmeath. Several games in the final group stage and preQF were decided by a point with the last kick of the game. Last round had a game go to penalties.

    Theres been plenty of competitive games. Possibly could have done with a few more upsets but no team maintained a 100% record. Shaping up to be a Kerry Dublin final, but they are likely the two best teams in the country, so why wouldn't they be in the final. What are you hoping for exactly?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Agree 100 percent with this.

    Some people are just on a downer about football



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