The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

Finty Lemon · 07-07-2023 09:02AM

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100%. Referees who favour the ball carrier at all times in contact are contributing hugely to the problem of massed defences. If throwing the ball and the steps rule are ignored, which they largely are by many, then defences have no option but to sit tight in numbers. There is simply no reward from coming out of the shell. The Roscommon Dublin example was a classic one. Roscommon fouled the ball at least twice by throwing when put under pressure but no sanction. That play should have ended 2 minutes earlier with a free in to Dublin.

Kerry are the masters at throwing the ball. To each other, over the bar, it goes unchecked.

Bass Reeves · 07-07-2023 01:01PM

A taught that one lad suggested was to increase the value of scores. A point from.outside the D make it worth 2 points and outside the 45 make it worth 3 points.

This would for e blanket defences out further but also reward the risk of taking a score from further out

07-07-2023 01:04PM

13 aside. Create space on the field for the better players to thrive in. Less player on the field means its harder for teams to create a blanket with real impact.

Bass Reeves · 07-07-2023 01:20PM

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The GAA will never go to 13 a side. Any solutions will be within the present structure. At this stage it will take faiey radical reconfiguration either in limiting numbers on each half of the pitch or increasing scoring values

FullBack Jam · 07-07-2023 01:35PM

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If there are to be rule changes, they will need to be rules which are easy for the ref to implement and not lead to more problems. Have different scoring zones will only lead to more controversy . You will have many situations where the shooter is standing on the line or very close to it anyway. How do you determine if he is inside or ouside. He could be just outside the line but the swinging motion of his kick brings his foot and ball inside the line. I just think it would be too difficult for the ref to get all the calls correct. We cannot have another subjective type decision to be left to the refs e.g. like the black cards. They have enough on their plate. I know the linesmen and umpires coul be doing more, but at the end of the day if a wrong decision is made on a call in a high profile game, it it the ref that all eyes fall on.

gormdubhgorm · 07-07-2023 02:20PM

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Jayus, I didn't realise it was 2-14 from play? I have not heard a total like that against top sides since the Tyrone AI SF in 2017 - which was a very similar scoreline. One I would put down at the most complete Dublin performance i have seen. That last match v Mayo seemed to go on a different pattern though.

The more I think of it Mayo did not help themselves at all. A Mayo poster has suggested it was lack of experience of the Mayo panel. Maybe that was the reason for the complete lack of composure in those 10 minutes of the second half? I don't know.

But something went went wrong. I have never seen such a contrast between the same sides performance for a long time that Mayo did. And you can't say it was the Dublin bench which was kept back because most of the subs had not come on for that 10 minute spell.

I expect Monaghan at the very least to put in a much more consistent performance v Dublin during the 70 minutes. Monaghan have a system that works really well. So Dublin will have to really work to earn the win recent matches in the league have been tight affairs. I am sure all the Monaghan fans are extremely excited as it is new territory for them. So the atmosphere should be good.

dxhound2005 · 07-07-2023 02:33PM

New territory against Dublin. But Monaghan were in the Semi Final in 2018, losing by a point to Tyrone.

blanch152 · 07-07-2023 02:40PM

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Monaghan have a system that have troubled Dublin in the League more than once. If we get a warm dry day in Croke Park, will it be enough? If we get the sort of weather we've seen this week, they might be able to pull it off.

MacDanger · 07-07-2023 03:02PM

If you're talking about rule changes for me, it would be a change to the size/weight of the ball to make it slightly easier to score from distance - this would draw defences out and leave more space inside.

Agree also about properly enforcing the steps rule, would make it much easier to defend 1 on 1

gormdubhgorm · 07-07-2023 03:14PM

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You are probably right weather conditions would really be a game changer.

I am happy that Kerry are playing Derry by the way. One because it is a harder draw for Kerry. Two that Dublin don't have to play them. As losing to Derry back in 1993 AISF still sickens me another Dublin collapse. And this time around Derry are arguably slightly better than Monaghan.

I was in the canal end back in that 1993 Dublin v Derry match jostling to lean on the barrier divider with a Derry fan during the game - on and off. At the final whistle says he 'Ye can lean on it now as much as ye like!'

WesternZulu · 07-07-2023 03:36PM

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You would be essentially playing with a soccer ball it it was lighter to try and enable scores from further out.

A lighter ball in many cases would make it more difficult to score in football; any kick would be way more susceptible to the wind

MacDanger · 07-07-2023 03:43PM

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Tbf, that's why I proposed "changing the ball size/weight" rather than simply making it lighter - some testing would need to be done so that any change wouldn't have unintended consequences e.g. A ball too light to kick into a breeze

dxhound2005 · 07-07-2023 04:07PM

I assume the testing of the new ball would be done by players? And if they did not like it, they would be able to reject it?

It would be easy for referees to whistle every time a player took 5 steps. But the "use common sense", and "let the game flow" brigade would be out in force to give them even more abuse. An increase to 6 or 8 steps would probably be more sensible. It is not the only rule that is regularly left unenforced. Like when a melee happens they use common sense, instead of sending off of a few from each side. And they let players taking frees from the hand steal a few yards in their run up.

GBXI · 07-07-2023 04:50PM

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What is wrong with keepers playing outfield? There is nothing more annoying in sport than the nostalgic GAA fan. Like how could you possibly deny that Ethan Rafferty is exciting to watch? Or say that the game would be less boring if he'd just stay in goals? GAA fans moan so much that at this stage they'll just give out about anything that is different.

The game of football can improve but it's still very high scoring, the players are more skillful than ever, and there are many entertaining games. I actually thought the Dublin v Ross game was very entertaining, especially considering how competitive it was. One thing that would make a big positive change is having less teams in the top competition. Hurling has 10 teams (5 in Munster and 5 in Leinster) in its top tier and you get so many competitive matches as a result. Football is moving towards 16 teams, but I think 10 is also the ideal number.

pgj2015 · 07-07-2023 05:32PM

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GOALKEEPER they are supposed to be in goal, they slow down the game by playing outfield. it looks so stupid seeing them wandering around the field.

pgj2015 · 07-07-2023 05:36PM

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why do you think they would never introduce 13 a side? its not that radical, I think we played 13 a side at under 16.

breezy1985 · 07-07-2023 06:45PM

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The whole idea of a goalkeeper wearing a special jersey is a new one in GAA terms. Maybe just go back to "how football should be" and have them in team colours.

It makes no sense that they some how slow down play any more or less than another player standing in the same spot.

theoneeyedman · 07-07-2023 07:54PM

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Colour of the jersey is designated differently to allow goalkeeper to do some things normal players can't, eg. to pick the ball from the ground in the small square without penalty.

The idea that the goalkeeper should stay in goal 'is like saying the full forward should stay at the edge of the square, or the midfielder stay between the 45s. It's an opinion, incorrect in my view, and that's all - no more kor indeed less) valid than saying they should counter attack. Goalies have a lot to offer coming out the field of done correctly - it's not them who are slowing the game really

breezy1985 · 07-07-2023 08:23PM

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I was being sarcastic.

It's not that people don't want the game to be like it "was supposed to be" or not to evolve they just want the evolution to stop when they hit a certain age.

Luxembourgo · 07-07-2023 09:44PM

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They do actually need to look at the keepers jersey. The black of Derry (i think) really clashes with the Refs.

Good loser · 07-07-2023 11:15PM

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No. I think Bass makes a good suggestion. It could be that before the scoring kick both feet must be on the ground outside the zone. It would allow teams 'out of the game' to go for Hail Marys. It would bring the defenders further from goal reducing congestion inside.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 09-07-2023 09:30AM

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Would be much easier to change to 13 a side than start limiting the number of players in a half. Refs have too much to be doing already without trying to count players in a half

Bass Reeves · 09-07-2023 09:32AM

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They are never going to reduce to 13 a side. Not in the next ten years anyway. The solution has to be found within the parameters of 15 players on the pitch

09-07-2023 02:21PM

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Amazing how a snapshot in time can be so correct at the time but ultimapgtely so incorrect.

On June 8th the time of the quoted post Galway footballers had beaten Roscommon, Tyrone, Sligo and Westmeath and were in pole position to win the group and be straight into a quarter final.

But just over two weeks later they were out of the competition, their limitations laid bare by firstly Armagh and then Mayo.

And the hurlers were waiting to compete in a Leinster final, but lost it at the death and ended up having face Limerick in a SF.

So both out a month after the post.

It's the same with POTY predictions. A guy could be lights out until the quarter finals and plenty would be saying they are nailed on for the award, but and then disappears.

09-07-2023 02:23PM

Was the minor final just won by Derry a minute ago in Armagh the first All Ireland final to be played north of the border since the 1983 u21 final replay?

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2023 03:32PM

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Yes.

FullBack Jam · 13-07-2023 01:27PM

Very quiet on the football forum. Very low key build-up to the semis. I'm not expecting a classic on either day, but will be a bit intriguing to see if either of Derry or Monaghan can come up with anything clever to try to thwart the big 2.

I would normally be up for the underdogs, but in this case, I think I would like Dublin and Kerry to contest in the final. But probably realistically if Derry or Monaghan are still in the game with 15 mins to go on Saturday and Sunday, I'll be probably end up roaring them on.

ArnoldJRimmer · 13-07-2023 03:09PM

if there is any chance of an upset this weekend, I can see it in the Kerry-Derry game, and hopefully this is the case. Derry are a horrible team to play against, but their tactics could make for an intriguing game

if Dublin show up, I can see them beating Monaghan by 10 points or so. There are a lot of complaints from Monaghan people that they’re being subject to condescending comments and pats on the head for getting this far, but they’re a limited enough team, and I can see this being a step too far

blowitupref · 13-07-2023 07:44PM

from gaelicstatsman

bucketybuck · 13-07-2023 08:01PM

I wouldn't even consider Derry winning to be a shock, in the sense of nobody seen it coming. They aren't favourites of course, but they are well capable and if they get their tactics and approach right then I think they will beat a Kerry team that as usual gets far too much credit.

Then Dublin will beat them in the final and Dubs will wreck their heads trying to figure out how Dessie Farrell won two All-Irelands.

The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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