What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

astrofool · 27-02-2023 01:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293686#Comment_120293686

What exactly was trump right about and Fauci wrong about? From the quote you use, it doesn't seem there was disagreement as they are on two different topics (was it created and leaked vs. was it from an animal and leaked):

Then-President Donald Trump, says “a lot of people are looking” into the possibility of a lab leak, and says the theory “seems to make sense”; Dr. Anthony Fauci, then the government’s leading infectious disease expert, refutes Trump’s claim, citing a study that found the virus’ mutations are “consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.”

What Fauci said “consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.” is still the prevailing wisdom.

TheIrishGrover · 27-02-2023 05:28PM

Ah that font of all knowledge is back: The Dog In The Street.

How can Covid have come from a Chinese Lab when it CLEARLY simultaneously didn't exist AND was created by Bill Gates to monitor people for when JFK Jnr returned from the grave to run with trump in 2024?

HOW? I mean it simply makes no sense!

Snake Plisken · 27-02-2023 06:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293686#Comment_120293686

Embarrassing for the lads on here! Watch the usual excuses and deflections

https://twitter.com/SeanParnellUSA/status/1630181661454286849?s=19

Igotadose · 27-02-2023 06:37PM

#ETTD: Former Catholic adviser to TFG, now defrocked, is being accused of sexual molestation by a number of women: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-ex-adviser-frank-pavone-of-priests-for-life-rocked-by-sex-scandal

TheIrishGrover · 27-02-2023 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120295227#Comment_120295227

Why?

everlast75 · 27-02-2023 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293686#Comment_120293686

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120295227#Comment_120295227

So what ye are telling me is that these two purported "gotchas" are nonsense?

Well, I never....

Podge_irl · 27-02-2023 08:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293740#Comment_120293740

Yeah, as long as we are keeping score there are more agencies stating it has a natural origin.

Though I find it mildly bizarre that each agency shares their own separate conclusions.

MisterAnarchy · 27-02-2023 11:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120295032#Comment_120295032

Thats right yes, last time ye thought the dog on the street was amusing it was in denial of Musk taking over Twitter and Trump being reinstated on Twitter.

Guess what the dog was right.

Btw who did I have that bet with about Trump being back on Twitter before the end of 2022 , its time to pay up.

AlmightyCushion · 27-02-2023 11:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120295227#Comment_120295227

Read the actual article.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kpzv4/trumps-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-is-bogus-according-to-uh-everyone

Trump made the claims at a White House press briefing last Thursday, claiming he had seen evidence that COVID-19 had originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, before US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo doubled-down on Sunday, saying there was “enormous evidence” to back up the theory.

with the World Health Organization, Western intelligence sources and even Trump’s top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci all saying there is no evidence to back the theory.

So, their complaint is there is no evidence to back it up. Trump said there was enormous evidence. Maybe if he had shared it, they might have considered it.

“If you look at the evolution of the virus in bats and what's out there now, (the scientific evidence) is very, very strongly leaning toward this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated,” Dr. Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told National Geographic in an interview published Monday.

“Everything about the stepwise evolution over time strongly indicates that (this virus) evolved in nature and then jumped species.”

Fauci's main argument is that it is natural and not artificially created. In another article, I posted above he said he doesn't get involved in the discussion about it because either way it evolved in the wild which is the main problem.

“We have not received any data or specific evidence from the United States government relating to the purported origin of the virus — so from our perspective, this remains speculative,” WHO emergencies director Michael Ryan told an online press conference.

WHO dismiss it because they have not seen any evidence.

Meanwhile, intelligence sources in Britain and Australia told The Guardian that there is no evidence that the virus had leaked from the Chinese lab

Also, dismissing it because there is no evidence.

So they all dimissed it because they had not seen any of the evidence Trump and Pompeo claimed they had. If Trump and Pompeo had showed them this evidence maybe they would have changed their minds.

TheIrishGrover · 28-02-2023 08:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120296212#Comment_120296212

Oh there were SO MANY times TDITS was amusing.

I suppose this means that this damming report completely exonerates trump of his (proven) homophobic, racist, election-tampering, dictator supporting, hostile-nation-supporting, serial sexual assaulting, insurrection-instigating past.

I suppose this means that trump's response was correct (What with suggesting ingesting disinfectant and shining lights internally etc.). I must have a read.

As for who made the bet? No idea. Look it up......

TheIrishGrover · 28-02-2023 08:55AM

Shocked I say... SHOCKED!!!!! (Not really)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-deposition-rupert-murdoch-says-fox-news-hosts-endorsed-false-2020-election-claims-c9348fc0

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/27/rupert-murdoch-admits-fox-news-hosts-peddled-election-lies

And a million more. I'd check fox or oan but I'd only have to clear my cache afterwards. I'm assuming there is no mention.

Penn · 28-02-2023 08:57AM

God.... maybe Trump was right about a lot of things he said with no evidence...

Can anyone remember do I drink the bleach and put the lightbulb up my arse, or was it the other way round? I really don't want to get that wrong.

TheIrishGrover · 28-02-2023 09:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120296601#Comment_120296601

It depends. If it was the (sensitively named) "kung-Flu" virus that trump mentioned, then you shove the light up your ar5e. If you have fallen for the fake virus and taken Bill Gates' nano-bot "vaccine" then you need to swallow the light as this interrupts the signal. ONLY do this though if you want to witness JFK Jnr returning from the dead to run for VP with trump in 2024. And, needless to say, all trumpites should follow his recommendation on disinfectant...

..... that is assuming you buy the whole Covid thing. You do know it was just a ploy to get your guns or make you gay or woke or something.I'm sure fox will come out with the "fair and balanced" report soon... You know, the "fair and balanced" angle even the OWNER agrees they lied about.

everlast75 · 28-02-2023 09:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120296271#Comment_120296271

"So they all dismissed it because they had not seen any of the evidence Trump and Pompeo claimed they had. If Trump and Pompeo had showed them this evidence maybe they would have changed their minds."

This is it in a nutshell.

Trump says something/anything which was dismissed as bullshit by others because

a) he is a bull shitter and

b) he has nothing to back it up.

Subsequently, it transpires that it might not be total bullshit, a semi bullshit statement if you will, and his supporters wail that yet again, Trump, the purveyor of truth is right again and no one listened.

Would any of his supporters care to wager the bullshit to truth ratio? I mean, how much utter nonsense spews from his mouth on a daily basis that is absolutely and will forever be utter bullshit and has no semblance to reality, and compare that to how correct he is on anything???

Didn't think so.

Maybe bear that in mind the next time you wish to post a "gotcha" moment...

archermoo · 28-02-2023 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120296707#Comment_120296707

Exactly. Trump says whatever he thinks will make him look best or get him what he wants in the moment. Occasionally this means that something he says is true, but that isn't why he said it. And sometimes it means that something he said with absolutely no evidence ends up being accurate, at least in part. But again, that isn't why he said it. He is a con man and a narcissist. Has been since long before he decided that running for President would be a great way to con people out of money.

If you had a clock that every minute changed to a random time, occasionally the time it showed would be the actual current time. But the fact that occasionally the time it shows isn't wrong isn't proof that you should ever trust it. Much like Trump.

duploelabs · 28-02-2023 11:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293686#Comment_120293686

Yes and we remember your denials at the trump/Russia connections, yet you must have read this right?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/jesse-benton-donald-trump/

Actual court conviction as opposed to a conjecture piece of journalism

28-02-2023 01:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120293686#Comment_120293686

I would bet a lot of money that up until this news, you would have claimed the US Energy Department isn't a reliable source and couldn't be trusted

Stanley 1 · 28-02-2023 01:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120296912#Comment_120296912

Trump got close to the sky pilots business through his personal pastor, Paula White, he saw the possibility of television fund-raising through "The Apprentice" and making appeals was so much easier than kissing Putin's ass to get dodgy Russian monies to buy his condos in Trump Inc., for inflated prices.

Would think Trump is genuinely afraid of Putin and his proven ability to strike/execute overseas, probably has a ground floor bedroom/office at MAL and plenty of food tasters.

Overheal · 28-02-2023 07:17PM

then-President Trump phoned up the Disney execs to have them censor Jimmy Kimmel for him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUCPszvd8Og

everlast75 · 28-02-2023 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120299080#Comment_120299080

Mr. "I've been cancelled" trying to cancel others. The hypocrisy.

Has there ever been such an absolute baby of a president?

No wonder all knew in advance how easily he would be manipulated by foreign governments.

TheIrishGrover · 01-03-2023 12:16PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64806903

OK my fellow woke libtards. Put down your vegan-friendly LGTBQTI+ tree-hugging equipment and prepare to be triggered. Apparently we need to start trotting out "the usual excuses and deflections".

Except, wait, no. I think, like usual grownups, we can take onboard new/updated information.

In the same way that trump ... fans can reflect/reassess their opinion on trump as (confirmed/proven - often by himself) confirmation of his history of serial sexual assault, support of white supremacists, racism, support of dictators, support of nations hostile to the US, support/endorsement of insurrection, support of assassination/intimidation of political rivals, election tampering........ Oh wait.

ohnonotgmail · 01-03-2023 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301062#Comment_120301062

The US government cant even agree among themselves how it started. If the FBI have proof they aren't sharing it.

archermoo · 01-03-2023 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301062#Comment_120301062

See, that's the thing. People objected to Trump claiming that the virus leaked from a lab not because Trump was saying it. But because he didn't give any evidence for his belief. And there was no reliable publicly available information that suggested that was the case. As much as his supporters want to pretend that everyone who disagrees with Trump does so solely because of political reasons that is of course not the case.

robinph · 01-03-2023 12:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301108#Comment_120301108

The implication from Trump saying lab leak is actually "China bad and did it deliberately" and that is what people have rejected as unproven conspiracy theory.

Whereas what lab leak actually means is "scientists screwed up, China hid it"... And that is still only a vaguely likely scenario according to most of the bodies declaring a position so far.

Lab leak (in the accident rather than deliberate scenario) should really be an irrelevance to everyone though. The only people that it should matter to are whichever bodies it is that licence and inspect each other for deciding which countries and labs get to work on different nasty microbes.

If it came from a bat whose last place of residence was a cave or a cage in a lab really doesn't matter one bit.

archermoo · 01-03-2023 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301156#Comment_120301156

Very true. And I'd add, not just "China bad and did it deliberately" but "China bad, engineered the virus as a bioweapon, and spread it deliberately".

There appears to be ample evidence that regardless of how it spread to the population it evolved in the wild rather than have been engineered.

Penn · 01-03-2023 01:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301382#Comment_120301382

All of which, to distract and deflect from his lacklustre response at the start of the pandemic. I mean, if we want to go back to all of Trump's comments about the pandemic from say the start of February 2020, then sure, Trump's comments about how the virus may have come from a lab in China may turn out to be true.

Wonder how many of his earlier comments might end up being proven true...

Feb. 10 at the White House: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape, though. We have 12 cases, 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.”

Feb. 23 to reporters: “We have it very much under control in this country.”

Feb. 24 on Twitter: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

Feb. 26 at the White House: “So, we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So, we’ve had very good luck.”

Feb. 26 at a news conference: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

Feb. 27 at a White House meeting with African American leaders: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

Feb. 29 in a speech to conservatives: “And I’ve gotten to know these (health care) professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.”

Or how about this doozy from early March:

March 6, 2020: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

Or Trump's damn near bang-on estimate of how many people might die from Covid:

May 3, 2020: “Look, we're going to lose anywhere from 75,000, 80,000 to 100,000 people,”

(Covid deaths hit 400,000 by Trump's last day in office)

So even if it's definitively proven that the virus leaked from a lab in China and Trump hit a home run with that one, remember to turn around and see the mountain of baseballs that just flew straight past him.

Podge_irl · 01-03-2023 02:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301062#Comment_120301062

That's not actually new is it? The FBI have stated their position for some time that it was a lab leak. Them and the DoE believe so, but 4 (?) other agencies think a natural event is more likely. None of them have a high degree of confidence either way.

Ultimately China is incredibly secretive and not an honest broker in any investigation so the chances are we will never know.

Leroy42 · 01-03-2023 02:21PM

And lets remember that Trump recalled the expert that had been based in China, the job of which was to stay ahead of things like this and keep an eye and the Chinese.

Had Trump not done that then the entire world might have been given more advance warning.

But sure, one thing he said might turn out to be right, so that makes everything ok.

And are the FBI now trusted? I thought they were led my Democrats and out to get Trump?

ohnonotgmail · 01-03-2023 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301584#Comment_120301584

even a blind squirrel finds an occasional nut

Overheal · 01-03-2023 02:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120301584#Comment_120301584

Sure Chris Wray just gave a whole interview to fox about hunters laptop and classified docs cases and the latest rumors about Wuhan. The viewers must be all sorts of confused.

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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