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Grey reg plates

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Afaik, plates have to have a white retro-reflective background.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,327 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    They do, Spook_ie is talking about pressed plates, mentioned by another poster



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Azariah Ashy Yokel


    What I don’t get is why there just isn’t an IS standard for Irish plates, specifying the size, colour, materials and exact font.

    The current spec is a bit lacking in specifics. There’s really no reason why it can be very very specific.

    Also it should be enforceable by the Gardai. It doesn’t make any sense leaving that to Revenue. It’s clearly a road traffic issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Needles73


    It wouldn’t make any difference. The guidance for existing plates is ignored and the Garda don’t enforce the laws on things like mobile phones. Be a waste of time writing a more specific IS standard. But I really think non standard plates look terrible and the rules on design should be enforced. I would change rules to allow Garda to null and void NCT or something when found with different plates.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I've seen these tinted plates a lot in the US and have started seeing them here too in recent months. They're supposed to prevent the plate from being read by speed or toll cameras. Has anyone ever been stopped for having one?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    AGS do enforce the use of mobile phone legislation.

    22,500 drivers received penalty points for the offence in 2021.

    People tend not to use phones when they perceive that detection is likely so it is less easy to enforce than a car with illegal plates front and rear.

    Currently you will fail the NCT for non standard plates so people just fit a standard set for the test.

    If AGS invalidated the NCT drivers would just fit the standard plates and get the invalidation removed and the NCT reinstated.

    Besides NCT have enough to do.

    If we were serious about enforcing this it would require a substantial fine and enforcement by AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Walk past any line of cars in traffic to get an idea of how ineffective Garda enforcement of mobile phone laws is. You’ll see multiple drivers actually using their phones, browsing, texting, video chatting. You’ll see the majority of drivers with their phones illegally sitting on their laps, for maximum distraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    As long as they are reflective, speed cams will read them.

    In fact, if you place a sheet of A4 over your standard numberplate, the IR flash will reveal the numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Not disagreeing with you clearly you have seen them and they shouldn't be doing it.

    We are comparing mobile phone enforcement with illegal plate enforcement.

    It is clear that it is easier to avoid enforcement for phone use than for an illegal plate.

    Drivers will hide the phone if they see AGS checking but they can't hide the plates.

    22,500 penalty points convictions in one year for phone use and zero convictions for illegal plates in 10 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Indeed, Gardai clearly aren’t bothered to act. It’s amazing the number of cars with filthy unreadable plates too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    At the root of this is the fact that the State view number plates through the prism of taxation rather than road traffic.

    For citizens it is important that motor vehicles be clearly identified.

    A motor vehicle can be involved in criminal activity and can do serious damage in a RTA.

    It's time that this legislation was reviewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 dualclutch


    They are actually just white plates that are tinted…I have tinted white on the front and tinted yellow on the back…not to avoid cameras or anything (doubt it would) but they look good and are popular…German plates are gone out again…and I’ve never had hassle from the gaurds over them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,060 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    There's something to be said about filthy plates. My local Garda station has currently two cars in the staff carpark with (outside the region) filthy unreadable plates. The cars are clean, well, cleaner than the plates. So, if they're doing it there's got to be merit in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭Allinall


    There’s no issue with having dirty plates in a car park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The cars with dirty plates didn’t levitate into the car park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,060 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Excellent point. Allinall, they probably clean the plates when they leave the carpark, then, when they get back to work the rub dirt on the reg plates... then at the end of the shift they clean the reg plates. They may even have buckets of dirt in the Garda station so they can rub more dirt on the reg plates while they're parked up.... and again clean them when they leave to go home.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    A simple measure would be to photograph the vehicle, front and rear, at NCT time. The resulting photos being accessible to AGS.

    This also is useful in cases of cloned numberplates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Would this be to record that the car had legal plates at the time of NCT test ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,440 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They really don't look good. They look (very) cheap and (exceptionally) tacky and (extremely) nasty, just like the German plate phase did.

    Any and all "my plates look better this way" attempts look cheap and tacky and nasty. All of them. The "4D" ones are probably the worst however.

    Any Guard not pulling you for yellow rears isn't doing their job properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    As far as I'm concerned it's not a matter of taste.

    If people like a particular style of plate that's their business.

    If they want to fit them for shows or at home to set off the look of their car that's fine.

    But the bottom line is cars with illegal plates should not be on the road.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    That would be a good reason, but it would act as a record of the view of the vehicle. A vehicle with legal plates at the time of test, but illegal plates at a check-point - well, there is a thing.

    If a cloned vehicle was recorded passing through a toll, then things like stickers on the car become relevant. Also parking is controlled by clampers who photograph for evidence of no ticket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I'd care if they killed or injured a relative in a hit and run, and no one could identify them. Similarly if my car was damaged in a hit and run. Really, not being able to identify a car could impact on a lot of crime/ criminal activity.

    I actually really couldn't care less about moded cars in general, but unreadable number plates has more consequences that people seem to realise. More than just "beating the man" at tolls and speed cameras.

    Post edited by Macy0161 on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    probably OT, but the amount of cars i've seen in the last month or so, where the rear plate is completely obscured by dirt, is testament to how concerned people are about the gardai actually enforcing anything about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,969 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    You are, by design, misconstruing what was written: the word cannot was not used

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Arnout


    Even legal plates can be difficult. The design first of all is a failure from the government. WHY does a country this small need 9- (potentially 10-) character plates? Also I find it difficult from a bit of a distance to see if a car has for example a MH or a WH plate. Mind if that really is the problem then there's still only two cars to investigate and probably quickly enough to identify which one it is in the event of a hit-and-run, but still.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Following on from PM's comments,

    I would love to be able to follow up on all the 'little' infractions, ie: license plates, blown bulbs, fog lights only, coloured bulbs, etc, etc, etc, etc....

    but I just don't have the time. I see the offences every few minutes when in the patrol car but can't do anything about them because you are generally going from call to call, which you're already late to because of the backlog, with 2 people to answer calls in an area with a population of at least 20,000.

    Unfortunately it breeds a belief that these are not offences so when you actually do pull someone they are aghast and slack jawed that you'd have the audacity to stop them for something so 'silly' with the inevitable 'havw you nothing better to be doing?' comment. Hell most people seem offended if you stop them for the 'standard' speeding, insurance or mobile like you forced them to do it.

    Long and short of it is that there is a very detailed statutory instrument that outlines the exact details of what is a legal plate and anything outside of that is not legal (grey, plain, black flag, yellow, etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Arnout


    Even these are not legal, I think. The characters don't seem to be 36mm wide: https://eireplates.com/product/nct-standard-black-irish-font-on-white-plate-pair

    And my wife's car has plates with the same font as this one: https://licenseplatemania.com/fotos/ierland/ierland85.jpg

    I just measured: apart from the 1 the characters are between 33 and 34 mm wide. Still see those plates a lot though (on cars that you wouldn't expect the owners to care a whole lot about the plates) and it passed the NCT without any comments about the plates two weeks ago.

    We actually bought the car from a dealer who put the plates on himself (his name is on it and on the photos in the ad the car still had plates with the "standard" font, so the condensed UK font that is most commonly used here).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,467 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    I can't see anything wrong with the font on those 2 plates, unless you have measured the character width, stroke width, dimensions etc and found a value that is outside of the tolerances allowed.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭Arnout


    That's what I'm saying about the second one. Character width of 33 (the 2) to 34mm (the 4, the M and the H), should be 36 with a tolerance of 1mm. I didn't bother with the rest, but about the width I was without measuring already pretty sure that it wasn't enough. The first one is just eye-balling, I haven't had the opportunity to actually measure one of those. I do have a photo of a car with almost the same registration as mine (first 8 characters) with these pressed plates, seems to be OK because the amount of white at the beginning and the end seems to be the same as on my plastic plates (with the "standard" font, as far as there is a standard font here), but the D for instance seems wider than on the photo in the link.

    Another interesting thing actually is what I read earlier somewhere. It said that the 0 in the German font can prove problematic, because of the opening. But that's how that font is. Nowhere in the regulations does it say that the 0 has to be a closed loop, or does it?

    Same would be if somebody were to use the Dutch font, where the O and the R have a gap (and the P, but that's not relevant here).

    Something else that I've been wondering: I've seen plates where the county name has been applied by means of a sticker, instead of being imprinted in the plate itself. Is that a legal thing or should it really have been part of the plate? And how about the EU-band?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,276 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Thanks for the insight.

    As you say it is impossible to stop a car to check the plates if you are on an urgent call.

    As much as we might want to get the illegal plates sorted AGS have to prioritise urgent calls.



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