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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I see being difficult for these kinds Suburb-Airport routes.

    Aircoach's Greystones and Killiney routes appear to be struggling what use is a 2 hourly airport service in Dublin business travellers and those in a rush will probably just use a taxi or park their car and pleasure travellers with more time on their hands will take advantage of the 90 minute fare. Maybe if the times suited you could use the coach.

    I think Aircoach seem to be focusing their business model more on the intercity market as opposed to the Dublin market. Dublin Express seem to be capturing the tourist market more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Pre-covid the 702 & 703 were each every hour, shame they haven't been able to return to this schedule yet.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach, like most operators only have a certain amount of driving staff right now and it the simple fact is that if they were to increase the frequency of the 702/703 route or run it later, they'd have to reduce services on the 700/704/705 routes which would make no sense because the services those staff/coaches run on now achieve far better financial performance.

    They've already increased their pay but their MD said recently that the main reason for staff leaving them was not because of the pay which people were happy with, but was because of the late hours and unsocial hours that many of their services involved. That no doubt is part of the reason that the 702/703 are not running so late as previously.

    I think the fact that they've acquired Airporter will be not only helpful in developing their network, but also helpful in terms of giving them access to another pool of staff to prospectively be bus drivers on the routes operated from the Northern Ireland base. Often they are having to sub Dublin based drivers and vehicles on the Belfast route which should be operated fully by Belfast because of shortages.

    Unfortunately when an operation is short of staff they will always deploy their staff in the most profitable way possible and simply put, the 700, 704 and 705 routes are always going to be higher priority at this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭belfast stephen


    not all Airporter staff moved to Aircoach



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I'm aware that not everyone has moved across, but still it does give them access to extra staff than previously and an extra location to source their staff from which will no doubt be helpful.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    On top of this previous request to rate a service that wasn't at the time running five stars in order to negate previous bad reviews from the previous owners from when the service was actually running, the Airport Hopper Facebook page has now asked for people to not leave negative reviews if they have had a negative experience.

    Have you used our service and really enjoy it? Are you happy to hear that we're back? Take two minutes of your day and review our Google & Facebook page 5 stars

    If you feel that the service isn't yet 5 stars, please hold off leaving a review and let us know how we can improve in the comments or private message!

    I know things such as the above are not unique to the Hopper, but there's been a number of people commenting on their posts who have claimed services have not turned up with seemingly no response to the posts to that effect, at least that I can see publicly.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Few updates for the new year.

    Airport Hopper

    I note that the Airport Hopper timetable now shows a service every hour rather than every half an hour as it did initially. There has been no notification of this whatsoever to potential patrons apart from changing the timetable itself.

    Aircoach

    Having to increasingly use hire-ins over the last week due to a lack of available staff. Doesn't look like there is going to be any expansion of services anytime soon

    Derry/Londonderry route is now said to launch in Early 2023. There's no assurances it will be January anymore as there apparently have been some further hurdles hit.

    One of the Mercedes Citaros on the Car Park Shuttle is permanently withdrawn. 3 ex First Plaxton Centro B7RLE's rigid buses have now had their paperwork done and ready for use - 07D124896, 07D124903, 07D124906

    Dublin Express

    Dublin Express are looking to expand at least a little at the start of this year. Apparently Bernard Kavanagh might be in the position to throw more resources at it soon should National Express wish to do so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭belfast stephen


    i hear Dublin Express might be looking at A Cross Boarder Route but is only stating when they have the Staff and Vehicles

    Also McGill Coach Travel has been Covering runs on the Belfast for a Few Months



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The Derry to Dublin via Belfast Aircoach route will start on 22nd January.

    The service does not have authorisation from the NI Department of Infrastructure to carry non airport passengers from Belfast to Derry or passengers from Belfast to Belfast International Airport.

    This means whilst all Cross border journeys of all types are permitted. The only domestic NI journeys that are allowed on this service are between Belfast International Airport and Derry or Drumahoe Park and Ride. 

    Post edited by devnull on


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭belfast stephen


    not surprised as that would stand on the Translink 300 service form Belfast to International airport and the 212 to Derry from Belfast so DFI would be losing Money if Translink lose money on them Routes

    also understand the New coaches are Due sometime in February



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh



    The timetable is also now available on the website. Going to be a long enough route end-to-end!




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Yes, but apparently Derry drivers will only drive Derry to Belfast and another driver takes over from Belfast to Dublin so it will be broken up a little bit. The question is going to be whether the service carries enough passengers before it calls at Belfast City Centre to make the Derry to Belfast section viable, bearing in mind it can't set down any passengers at Belfast City centre from Derry.

    Really this service was always going to be a mis-mash, because they're using the cross border authorisation that they have to take people between Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland, and Airporters license to take people from Belfast International to Derry or Drumahoe Park and Ride combined. Obviously the benefit of that is now that also opens up the Derry to Dublin market for them.

    There's talk of new vehicles on their way but interestingly none of the 4x 2017 Panthers have been seen on any Aircoach duties since mid December,, so I would imagine that it may well be that they have been sent up to Derry to start the route off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    They surely can't do anything to physically stop passengers getting on in Derry and getting off in Belfast if they really wanted to although they wouldn't be able to get a return bus with Aircoach.

    Looking at the journey times on timetables it doesn't seem to have that much in difference between it and the Translink X4 service takes about 30 mins longer but getting stuck in traffic in Belfast will likely be an issue.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    They couldn't stop the passengers no if they were forceful enough, but the Department of Infrastructure in Northern Ireland could suspend their license to carry passengers between two points in NI and also lobby for their cross border authorisation to be cancelled which would kill the route dead overnight and I doubt anyone in the DoI would be crying any tears if that happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Most X3 and X4 services take about the 4 hour mark to get between Dublin and Derry.

    I can’t see the appeal of taking 5 hours on a coach between Dublin & Derry - the train would be more appealing for that length of time.

    It’s difficult to see who would use this service apart from existing users (Derry-Belfast Intl, and Dublin-Belfast).

    I can’t imagine too many people taking a coach from Dublin city centre to Belfast International given that there’s pretty much nowhere served from there that isn’t served from Dublin Airport.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Obviously when the new road is open fully between Belfast and Derry the times will come down, but I agree with you that I cannot see there being a huge market for this, especially with the restrictions on the service permit which means they cannot take people between Derry and Belfast (which probably won't ever change).

    At the end of the day Airporter only ran a small almost minibus like bus between Derry and both Belfast Airports and a few other stops, Aircoach have cut one of the airports out and took out a few stops as well, so that's not exactly going to help with demand, and you can be sure that Translink are going to not just stand and watch this happen and the DoI in NI are not exactly supportive of non public operators.

    It's good that there is competition on the corridor now, but I see this not being a very easy one to make work. NI is tough for anyone other than Translink with the odds stacked against them in many ways in what is quite a protectionist environment, but you have to think that First may have seen something somewhere that prompted their buyout of Airporter. Just don't see it being the massive opportunity they make it out to be. They make a deal out of the fact that they're the first operator t connect the two airports, but there is a reason for that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Indeed if they wanted and felt there was a market for a Dublin to Derry service they'd have probably been better off running a direct Dublin to Derry service going a similar routing to the Translink service. A strange move. Wonder why NI is so against commercial services compared to the ROI and the rest of the UK. It seems like the ROI prior to the late 90s.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    A bit of a long read, but here is a good example of some of the barriers that the commercial sector in Northern Ireland feel that they face at the moment. It's from 2021 but not a lot has changed since then. It also features a contribution from the previous owner of Airporter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The X4 uses the same road as far as Castledawson from Derry so the journey time on that service will drop too by pretty much the same amount.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Completely forgot the 705X extension to Derry was launching today. Wonder how it will fare.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭belfast stephen


    cant see much traffic between Derry and Dublin think it will be Derry to International Airport and the Normal Belfast to Dublin Airport passengers maybe once the A6 Fully opens up might help them



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Airport Hopper Tallaght route apparently is back tomorrow, but still no timetable on their site.

    Meanwhile the timetable from Dublin Airport to Maynooth on a Sunday is now showing a schedule cut to 7 services a day with some services having a 3 hour gap between them and last service at 7pm. That's the second time I've seen their timetable change now on their page without any notice to customers.

    Their social media is still very much in PR mode, still asking people not to post negative reviews and only post positive ones on their and when people have complained they're not getting any communication from them they are saying they are getting hundreds of contacts a day so there is a backlog.

    Whilst people are without doubt and rightly so happy to see a direct airport service return, some would argue the company needs to focus far less on the endless PR drive and marketing and far more on ensuring patrons can access a timetable that is accurate and doesn't change without notice and a service that they can rely on.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    A few updates in terms of bus operations out of Dublin Airport following todays the release of the latest official National Transport Authority route licenses data.

    Airport Hopper - Dublin Airport Routes 767/777

    An official list of licenses from the National Transport Authority has confirmed the license holder of these services continues to be Dualway Coaches Ltd. Whilst there has been much talk about the service being under new ownership, the route licenses continue to be owned by the same company they always have been.

    This does not mean that there is not a new company potentially involved in delivering the service as a subcontractor, but the legal right to run these services and the ownership of the routes remain with Dualway according to official documents.

    This tallies with the legal address and legal documents on the Airport Hopper website, but seemingly contradicts posts made on the Airport Hoper social media that claim that the ownership of the routes has changed unless the NTA has made an error in it's own documents.

    GoBus / CityLink - Galway Routes

    Both operators continue to operate their own licenses for Dublin to Galway and are considered as separate companies still at this point rather than as a single entity.

    Nolan Coaches - Dunboyne to Dublin Airport Route

    Nolan Coaches have been granted a license for a service between Dunboyne and Dublin Airport which will be given the service number 770 which is expected to start later this year.

    Deregistered Airport Services

    Dublin Bus have formally relinquished their licences for routes 747 and 748 and Dublin Express have for route 783. None of the routes have ran in some time and the licenses have now expired so cannot return unless applied for from scratch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭belfast stephen


    i see 3 of Dublin Express Mercedes-Benz Tourismo are for sale with a Dealer in Wales wonder what is replacing them



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Airport Hopper are now using at least one vehicle that isn't just a reused Dualway one - still a Noone Turas, but a 221 C reg that could not be a pre-COVID one by virtue of being too new.

    I'm going to attempt to use them for a very low stakes trip soon, but the return fare is still a bit sharp for regular users.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    That vehicle is supposed to be owned by Spain's from what I have heard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Wexford Bus moving from the coach park to the old Ulsterbus stop at Zone 14 tomorrow.

    Post edited by mikeybhoy on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hopper are now using some Spains branded vehicles finally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Ulsterbus have moved to zone 13 in front of the 101 stop



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    DAA have already updated the map.

    Citylink really are very dominant there now!

    Dublin Coach not mentioned anywhere at all on the map.



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