Staff Shortages in Ireland.

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One of the easiest ways of career change would be getting a 'C' drivers license. I don't know how things are now, but 6-9mnths ago there was a massive shortage here, and in uk 1000 times worse. Theres plenty of jobs here in waste recycling companies driving bin trucks or skip trucks, roadsweepers, low loaders, recovery trucks etc

I'd agree with that.

The jobs on the OPs list have one or more of the following in common:

Dealing with Joe public

underpaid

Crap working conditions.

Doctors and nurses have all three.

That's about the same as a first year clerical worker for the government.

At least the apprentice has better prospects over time. (If the clerical workers can manage to organise the training courses the apprentice needs).

Ireland's gone through boom-bust-boom cycles and has an economy that's heavily tilted towards a small number of sectors and has a housing shortage, which is largely a hangover from the 2008-12 crash, which isn't that long ago.

FF and FG seem to think that the magic forces of the market will just solve this automatically - doesn't look likely but also it's unrealistic to think it'll be solved quickly. It won't. So I think this is going to be a mess for years.

Economically we've more in common with some of the tech boom cities in the US than with a lot of Europe - rapid booms, with no time for infrastructure to catch up but also with relatively laissez faire attitudes to housing and little or nothing being done in the public side of housing provision.

Also, the funnelling of rent allowances into the private sector, instead of building social housing, has effectively turned into a revenue stream for a lot of people in a way it should never have been.

We plan all of our infrastructure too small, and then have to expand it - health, transport, housing etc too.

that apprenticeship path looks like bollox.

maybe the reason we lack tradespeople is that theres a learning system which is using the new entrants as cheap labor.

you can go learn theory over 3/4+ years for university science qualifications without actually ever being employed in the field, upon qualifying you'll go and apply your mad scientist level learning to multi million euro industrial output which acutely affects lives.

so why can you not do the same with plumbing, or mechanics. Go to a technical college for 2 years, learn and practice the theory in class. and then out into the field in the same manner as the science graduate ... the scientist who is doing way more complex stuff, with way higher stakes.

is it because the apprenticeship scheme is a handy way to fuk over the young, and make monkeys out of them.

before turning around and saying boo hoo we lack tradespeople, why wont they just be our slaves for a pittance over an extended time.

why are the govt poking their nose in here. if you learn something and pass the exams then you have the knowledge to do the job, why is it ok for one person to be in uni for 4 years (as their own private person) before walking out the gate and taking part responsibility for the production of volatile chemicals or medicines.

yet the other person (doing work with less potential widespread consequences) must be tied to a private business with govt monitoring over 4 years, before being allowed to take responsibility for fixing a leaky radiator.

if its a matter of quality control then fair enough, that can be dealt with, make it 6 months monitoring. 6 months tied to a previously qualified tradesperson, as a post-qualification worker. or even a year.

rather than the current king-servant design, unqualified uneducated young worker providing cheap labor to the established business. all the time under the watchful eye of govt. progressing only at a set speed to a set pattern. its not about your ability, its about your time served. aka your sentence.

@20Wheel

Bull

How much do you think a 16 year old who can barely tell a screwdriver from a volt meter, should be paid - a grand a week?

An apprentice is not a cheap worker - well sometime she has to be that too - but someone who is learning a trade for life and getting paid for it. Those rates don't look bad to me at all tbh.

Did I say a grand a week?

If you'd actually fking read you'd see I wasn't suggesting any pay whatsoever. Same as any other course for the most part.

"An apprentice is not a cheap worker - well sometime she has to be that too". Well which is it?

Nonsense post.

Some big brain thinking by the OP here. Maybe do a bit of research.

Doctors - a shortage eh, well lets see how many do we train a year? Answer: <200, and half are foreign students who immediately move abroad after their junior doctor stint.

Nurses: actually we have zillions, AND we pay them to train (tough **** every other type of student), the whining of course is because the INMO is the most powerful public sector union in the country.

Not enough Gardai? Well apart from all the desk jockeying the issue is not enough jail spaces for the repeat offenders. And of course state & EU sexist hiring policies meaning Ireland police force is now gender quota-ing its way to having "on the beat" male Gards having to protect their female Garda partners during arrests. As if the physical requirements weren't low enough already FFS.

Plumbers, Electricians, Labourers - Yeah construction & trades, the Irish men needed to build the country were treated so badly during the 2008 recession they left, and were encouraged to do so by the state. Now they are desperately needed again to build houses for a country that insists on pushing expensive university places over trades to its youth, while importing an unlimited no. of refugees, nearly all women and children and thus utterly dependent on state supports.

There are 100,000 men in the construction industry, what % of them are Irish anymore eh?

Hospitality - **** pay, uncertain long term prospects, not public sector so no chance of the govt giving a **** unless you own a hotel.

Taxi Drivers - Over regulated industry to keep fares high. Lots of people own and can drive cars however Taxi drivers have effectively got the govt to over regulate this industry to the point that ordinary folk cannot simply drive for Uber or their many competitors despite the fact the GPS enabled smartphones have reduced the barrier to entry. Imagine having to do a separate license and exam to be a pizza delivery driver??? And of course how long did it take for the state to make pay by card a legal right for the customer eh?

Childcare - boils down to houses being unnaffordable on 1 persons salary and so two parents need to work.

Chefs - Ireland is indeed a rich country and a lot of people (usually women, often retired public sector) love to eat well and eat out. Hence the demand.

For a lot of low paid jobs people are better off on the dole.

Some people can make 50k a year on the dole tax free if they are claiming multiple benefits.

You can kill people with bad trades work. Not so much with Greek.

Try getting a chemistry degree and let us how it compares with learning a trade.

Obvious non-sequitur/deflection.

Lame.

This is part of the problem right here.

We as a country are educating people to a high level for a very low cost to those people, a mere fraction of the cost, who are then free to leave the country and benefit from the education provided by the country by earning wages off the back of this education in lower tax countries without contributing back into the economy of the country that funded their education.

Ignore the cost of accomodation, we all have to deal with that, people should not be able to escape the cost of their education.

Many people working in construction love working outside and would hate being at a desk all day in the same location for years. Hate administration prefer physical work.

IT is nothing like chemistry.

You need the money from chemists to pay for the houses.