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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I found in the right cold. If the pipes get blocked it's a waste try to free them till the thaw. The blow torch weakens the plastic unless you're careful. And it loosens the grit and blocks the ball cocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Borrowed a gator to see how it goes on the hills, couldn't believe how good it was and felt safe also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    Cull cow market seems to have picked up a good bit. I can't sell mine until January because I'm on the edge of going over 6500kg for the top band.

    I thought not drying off the cows with icbf would dilute my number but they are using AIMs which means they are counting any cow that has ever had a calf. Makes sense to the "experts" I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    It’s on 3 year average not just this year ….wouldn’t be loosing too much sleep about going over it …if that close now you’ll be over next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭martinnn1997


    Have a weanling with pneumonia/ Ibr with the last week. Treated myself on Tuesday and Got vet got Thursday gave him some draxin and nuflor and anti inflammatory, was flying the day after chewing cud like mad ect. Since Saturday he isn't good again, eating very small amounts and fairly lifeless. Temperature normal

    Any tips , anyone know anything else I could give him?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭older by the day


    I suppose the animal was done for lungworm. I had a weanling with pneumonia a few weeks ago. The first thing the vet gave her was albex, then antibiotics and steroids. Very wet November. Fine after a few days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Dexamethasone for pneumonia is a must at that age. Keep in straw bed and treat for colic too I reckon. Haylage or hay and give them a dose of bread soda. Sometimes stomach issues can be overlooked. Did you check if their passing dung?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭martinnn1997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭martinnn1997


    Must give a shot of dex, animal is passing dung fine. Not chewing the cud though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭Good loser


    That sounds like a stomach issue rather than lungs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭fulldnod


    anyone any experience with cow brushes, are they worth the money, so far i priced condon, o donnell and delaval



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Lios67


    Bought one last year from O’Donovans , they love it and it’s lovely to see that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Have a delaval one a good few years and never had any trouble with it. It is a motor that it is running nearly constantly over the winter so I presume given the present cost of electricity it adds up on to nice increase on our bill. But as said above it is nice to see them using it, you feel like you're giving something back to the cow for her produce



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Land rental price is getting out of hand.are lads working off this years figures going foward.bidding war near us and one of the bidders is supposed to be from 70 miles away.i am pessimistic by nature but maybe it just been my experience over the years but this type of behaviour usually is a prelude to a big bang.surely guys recognise the trends and can see this .i know the period from 06 to 10 left us fairly battered (big spend,grants held up and milk price crashed). I could honestly say in the spring of 10 was the brokest i have ever been in my life.i am afraid history will repeat itself ,it always does



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    You’ll get nothing around here less than 400/acre…pure total and utter madness …all been driven by extraordinary high milk price this year and lads panicking /not knowing full story regards nitrates /banding .

    I’ve been looking for land …too dear and too far away so I’ve recently secured a very good guy to contract rear my calves and replacement heifers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    I can only see the demand for land getting more extreme. Some lads still don't realise the reality of banding or cuts to derogation.

    Then you have wealthy investors that can dump their money in land and leave the fool of a farmer do all the work while paying their mortgage.

    Also you have all these "charities" buying land to rewild and plant trees.

    Forestry grants are rising to drive the floor price of land to 8k. The outcome of this LULUCF or whatever it's called commission will only add more fuel to the fire in my opinion.

    I tell lads I had to stop milking early to stay under the 6300 litres and they are just baffled by it. No way would they do that and the price of milk is the usual response.

    Price of milk will never go back to 30 cent again. The whole world supply is being destroyed by climate change and climate regulations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,975 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Banding is there now with all its flaws but we have to work with it ….if anywhere near the threshold beteween middle and top you may just drive on into the high band ,forgot about chasing cow nos and cull the goats etc ….pure ball ache re going back to when quotas were here and watching supply ,having to dry early etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Wouldn't be so sure of prices staying high either. Worldwide economic down turn is on the way. Recent meeting from ecb some think they are hinting at base rates above 4.5% by end of 23. They want to hammer inflation back and to do that they'll hammer everything else. Last crash in 09 base price wasn't long halving.

    There will be a lot of upheaval yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    I stayed under it this year with alot of heifers but just about. I won't be doing that again. They set the level too low so I'll drive on now to 7 to 8 thousand litres. Will feed the cows 1kg extra all year this year and see how it goes. Might look into maize or beet or eurnagold for the springtime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,214 ✭✭✭straight


    Nobody knows what will happen but I'd be optimistic this time. World population is growing fast, climate change and climate regs are hurting supply. People have to eat something and all those nut juices and non meat alternatives have been found out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 777 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    I'd say long term effects of such a diet have yet to be found out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Signpost


    I recently got (not renting) a block of land in a very intense derogation area. Too far for cattle but will be bringing 3 cuts of silage from there. Will there be a market to import slurry this year without lads expecting you to pay for the spreading and the paperwork? If I’d to pay be as easy to get potash and know what’s going out but wondering will lads be more forthcoming to have the option to export with the new regulations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    It would be interesting to see how the figures add up on that one. To my reckoning, if each M³ of slurry contains 2.4kg of N, then a farmer will need to export 9691 gallons for each cow over limit if in the 106 band.

    In our part of the world where a 2600 gallon tank would cost 100/hr, this could cost up to 300€...

    If we go to 220 on derogation, the farmer would have to rentban extra 1.2 acres to carry the cow...probably costing mkre than the €300...(but would have the extra DM if needed)..

    If you were beside me and was over the limit...I'd talk to ya..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Take note also that you cant be in derogation yourself, and that if you take in slurry it counts as stocking rate as such, so you may not be abke to carry more stock at home due to the extra silage you are bringing in..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Signpost


    Wasn’t planning on getting this ground (or at any rate getting it so soon) so nothing set up to expand for time being on home block, no danger of derogation at home either so would be in a position to put out a fairly sizeable amount of slurry on it and try build indexes for a few years. Soil samples gone off but I know they will be brutal based on how it was farmed the last 20 odd years.

    would be ideal to get slurry but with the paperwork and playing with weather and contractors I don’t think it would be worth €100 an acre. At least from a bag you know what you have and can go any day you want to with it. I see Grassland Agro have a special K product (Solelith K) which I must try find out about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭alps


    Frightening more is part of that same calculation is that at 2.4kg N per m³..the 106 cow would require 0.85m³ per week for slurry storage.

    Thatbfigure is at 0.33 currently..

    Gonna be pouring some concrete people🤧



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    As slurry storage is being mentioned…

    I did some calculations last night on what I’d need for 70 cows and the likely cost.

    Lets just say I got another can of Guinness from the fridge and went back to watching telly with the young lads when I saw the final figure



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    I had figures done a couple of years ago for my shed, did the final figures on what it actually cost a fortnight ago, I like you went back to the fridge for another can but at least you haven't the damage done..it's scary expensive to winter a dairy cow now...on a plus not a frozen pipe or trough in sight this week and cows were cozy out in there..



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