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Housing crisis and State's failure to provide courses/qualifications for apprentices

  • 14-12-2022 10:57am
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭

    A young relative of mine is supposed to be starting his third year as an apprentice electrician next month. I encouraged him to get a trade/qualification as he was in a dead-end job so I'm very proud of him for wanting to better himself. At any rate, accordingly he was supposed to be going into his third year in college, something which he needs to do before he can qualify. However, there was no course last year, his second year, because of a shortage of trainers/teachers and he has just been informed there will be no course starting in January in Baldoyle for the same reason - a shortage of teachers/trainers/instructors. So, he'll now be two years behind with his qualification. He will also be working for less money during his apprenticeship because he hasn't got those two years of college under his belt (payment rises upon completion of each year). He's on crap pay, and sharing rent with a slew of people in Dublin and then there's this on top of it at a time when builders and developers are creaming it.

    The government talks about the shortage of skilled tradespeople - - and how we'll have to issue special visas to get the skilled people into Ireland. And then there is this absolute hames of a situation where Irish people cannot get their qualification in much-needed trades because the Irish State will not provide the teachers/trainers. Has the government just given up on a whole slew of young, poor people who want to better themselves and contribute to Irish society? And is anybody in the Opposition even aware of this issue with apprentices? There is so much bullshít coming from politicians and wafflers in the media, and then you hear these little bits of reality about how government policy is doing the direct opposite on the very same subject, the housing crisis.

    Spare us the crocodile tears about young people going to Australia and America when this is the way people who are willing and ready to work are being treated. 'Ireland is the sow that eats its farrow', as Joyce put it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,007 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78

    our whole approach to these sectors is arseways, we ve clearly made a mess of our educational and training systems in regards the trades, we ve become too academically biased, which has now screwed us in trying to resolve our current serious trades deficit, we better get cracking with it, or we ll truly be fcuked!

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,119 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes

    Yeah but they wanted to nationalize and streamline the qualifications. It was a good idea. The industry doing it ...has downsides.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,119 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes

    Carrollsno 1 that is insane!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭carrollsno1

    As insane and all as it sounds its the reality for me and a lot more apprentices.

    Better living everyone

  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Commoner

    And it's not just apprentices. Ireland has a shortage of Dentists and Pharmacists because the Irish Government refuses to open a School of Dentistry and Pharmacy in University of Limerick and University of Galway (NUI Galway) - two major Universities in the west of Ireland. Most students wanting to study these courses either have to go to the UK (because Ireland does not offer enough places like most EU Countries do), or else do a science course and then do the degree (that takes many more years).

    I think the education budget in Ireland is actually quite low and very poorly spent on certain courses that people don't need a degree for in order to get a job.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,145 ✭✭✭carrollsno1

    Well at least those students have the option of heading overseas to complete those courses and would have a schedule to work to while they were at it. Apprentices across all trades have been thrown under the bus these last few years we havent the option of going to europe to complete (altough some apprentices might end up working there for some part of their apprenticeship) nor do we even have a timeframe/schedule to work to. One bit of feedback we are sick of hearing over this whole shitshow is "well youre getting good rates" and the like yes its nice to be getting it but weve no independence while were doing this apprenticeship. If a downturn does come after we have four years completed without the college phases completed and the whole industry goes belly up were left high and dry with no papers and no way of emigrating as we officially dont have the skills required to enter certain countries. I know it seems like im focusing on the negatives but when weve been screwed over like we have its hard to have faith in the system.

    Better living everyone

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭eggy81

    Everything they have their hands involved in is a **** show. Everything.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,439 ✭✭✭buried

    The establishment in this country are literally trying to run everything into the ground. Incompetence is one thing, but this is deliberate.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,105 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore

    Not sure it's deliberate, just another example of our 'shur twill be grand' mindset, hoping someone else will take care of it or the problem goes away by itself. Any sort of medium or long term planning is beyond us.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly

    The FF and FG governments of the last 20 years had absolutely zero vision when it comes to education. Zero. Once the good times started, they took care of themselves only. They just react to issues now and paper over the cracks while blaming other causes. There is never a credible plan.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,366 ✭✭✭Rows Grower

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,439 ✭✭✭buried

    Three years I would have agreed with you whisky, but after what has gone on here the last year and a half, all I can see is deliberate skullduggery.

    You have the likes of O'Gorman tweeting in 10 different languages for anybody to come over here and get a free house, a plan he could never accomplish, and even if he could, what's a Green Party member demanding thousands of people to come here when his own political party's plan is to reduce carbon emission's on this island.

    All this, while our own citizens, people that are trying to do the right thing are treated like they or their skills don't matter.

    Something is going on. This country was always a basketcase, but the one thing it always got right was the welfare of technical apprentices. Now it can't even do that , and its not that hard to do, unless the plan is to make it so. And to be honest, that's all I see now, a deliberate plan to totally f**k up the country.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats