Kia EV6

Kinda like getting planning permission then???🤔

There is a drop off in initial charge rate in winter compared to summer (I'm basing my info here off my semi-regular drive from Tyrone to City North Ionity (120km or so), so adequate time for the battery to heat up a bit due to driving, I'm arriving with between 10% to 30% on these journey's (>30% means i'll easily get home)

Summer: Charging usually starts at around 120kW, rising to 170kW within 5 mins and peaking at just over 220kW for a short while.

Winter: Charging usually starts around 50kW, then it jumps to 120kW, then 170kW (haven't seen higher as there's probably too much SoC to see the 200kW+ peaks)

I don't have an ODBC dongle attached to prove this, but i suspect these jumps in power are aligned with the battery temp reaching 15 degrees / 20 degrees / 25 degrees (based on some online videos I've seen showing this pattern)

In theory the battery pre-conditioning would enable our charging to start closer to the 170kW or maybe 220kW rates (5 min at that rate could be 100km of range added).

Regarding software updates, you might have noticed my previous comments/rants as I try to chase this up (between dealers, Kia twitter, Kia customer service) and all I can gather (from Kia customer service) is there are 2 dealer updates (one to the BMS and one to another system that I don't need to know the details about) and 1 Navigation update (we can to that ourselves). I've 1 dealer update to the BMS done and the Navigation update (20221004) done but I don't have the battery pre-conditioning feature yet. I believe it will come to 2022 models as it's available on some European Ioniq 5's, but the Kia dealers are really struggling to find these updates on their system (I'm trying to get Kia Customer service to engage with my dealer to give them the information directly, rather than me passing it on second hand)

@eltoastero thank you for your very comprehensive reply.

Yep, Kia prices from across the range have risen significantly, making the ICE ones comparatively poor value when factoring in depreciation. I suspect while they have completely dropped the 0% Apr, they still have a 3.9% rate for HP and PCP and these price increases partly cover the cost of offering the 3.9%. Won't get that rate directly from Bank of Ireland at the moment.

60k for Kia? What are they thinking.

Perhaps more crazy when compared to premium brands with now just costing a little over EV6. Range vs Brand is the question perhaps.

have a look back up through the thread to see my rants/progress to date on this - basically the dealers don't know what the update is, only that I keep pushing them to look for certain updates and even then it's not the correct update.

According to KIA twitter customer service, there are 2x updates the dealers must do: a Battery Management System update to versions "5480", which I now have) and some other mystery update; another user on the EV6 forum from the UK has the update and the only difference between their software versions and mine is the "MKBD software", they have v03.43, I have v0.3.42.

The navigation software needs an update too (I'm on version 20221207) and while it has improved the search function for chargers by Power output, it isn't adequate to all the battery pre-conditioning to work.

Hassle the dealer to check checking, it's apparently not obvious on their system when they put the Reg/VIN in.

Which dealer have you ordered from McHonda?

I ordered mine and paid the deposit on 20th October, was advised delivery late January 2023. Dealer phoned me 2 weeks ago to advise they have it already. They were getting 5 EV6, and I got the last one on 20th October. Newgate Motors in Meath

Hi Killer K, that right my last car was XCeed phev. I have not regretted changing once. If I had kept Xceed until now and i was looking at an EV for 2023, the only cars I would seriously consider are Polestar 2 or E-Niro but EV6 would still be my number 1 choice if one could be sourced.

Not doing much driving this weather as I work from home, but I charged to 90% a few days ago and i think range was reported at about 370km. In reality I would estimate it’s closer to 300km with 90% charge if driven normally with heating on in sub 0 temps.

I just went out and took below pics to show range difference with heat on (bottom) and heat off (top) battery currently at 64%

They also show my average of 17.6kw/100km over nearly 9000kms since January.

@ffocused thank you for your very comprehensive response. Delighted you are happy with your choice.

The Xceed Phev is a fine car but looks dated when parked next to an EV6. The contrast in interior is even more striking.

Did you go for the earth or the higher spec? Of course if you were to buy now it would be 3/4 grand more expensive.

Mine in an Earth, as it’s all I could get for guaranteed January 22 delivery, I imagine I would still be waiting for GT Line if I had ordered one!

My EV6 was with the dealer Tuesday (unrelated) and when I collected it I was told they had done the battery preconditioning update. I didn't know anything about it .. is there something new in the car that I could check to see ?

Fast chargers start to throttle after 90%, but this is by design and also will not be made any better by preconditioning.

I’m sure it will be useful in another year or 2 when ESB have more 150kw units in service.

@v10 My understanding is If you use on board nav to go to a nearby DC charger, you should see a symbol (kind of like glowplug symbol on diesel car) on top of battery icon on dash which indicates battery is preheating.