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Grey reg plates

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,466 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    So, some 'enthusiast' with dodgy plates knocks your mother down or damaged your parked car in a hit and run. Witnesses could not make out the car's registration. Fine by you?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Obviously people can modify their cars as they choose but it's clear people choose to do it outside of the confines of the law. I pass a BMW driving to work that uses modified fog lights as headlights and the headlights are just those daytime angel eyes. I've seen a handful of cars with front tints too.

    Body kits, wheels, vinyl wraps, suspension, seats, engine mods, remaps, sound systems and so on, plenty of legal ways to mod your car to make it your own.

    I wouldn't exactly class someone putting a trendy number plate on their car as someone who wants to stand out.

    Post edited by DaveyDave on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Both those choices you've saidare legal. Yes, it's a minor thing, but its still law. We don't get to pick and choose which ones we follow or not. Who draws the line on which laws we should be allowed ignore?

    Don't get me wrong, I like a nicely modified car. But doing something illegal just because it looks cool is no excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    The reason the Guards don't prosecute for illegal plates has already been mentioned in this very Thread (more than once). It's Revenue's job to enforce the Law regarding Number Plates....not the Guards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    And who do you think sends the reports to Revenue? Or are you saying you can only be done for illegal plates if its a revenue checkpoint? They never told me that in Templemore.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Aving a dodgy ticker too.the righteous are marching



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭beachhead


    the guards don't prosecute for a lot offences in Ireland or maybe they cannot remember them all.Over/under size characters on plate,wrong colours.Also,what about wipers,lights,damage panels-some sticking out and a danger to pedestrians,cyclists.Having dodgy plates must be a minor issue.Tax and Insurance counts as major major offence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭beachhead


    If you got 5% of takings or even 1% you'd be laughing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Big difference between sitting on your sofa and driving a car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    They don't prosecute for everything because they don't have the time. If they were to prosecute for everything, I reckon 90% of people driving would be off the road within 12 months, because I'm convinced at least that many are either willfully or ignorantly breaking multiple road traffic laws every time they drive. It's literally impossible to enforce every law. But that's not my point. They barely have enough time to prosecute larger crimes. And that's why we have a traffic corp roads policing unit specifically mainly working traffic. But they don't do a "proper" job apparently, not catching the "real" criminals. Can't win.

    My point is why are we ok with people willfully breaking the law just because something looks cool? Why does the person who does that feel entitled to knowingly break the law? They do it because they know they'll most likely get away with it because it's minor. But then throw a hissy fit when some Garda does decide to prosecute them. But that's human nature to not care about anyone or anything but yourself. So I expect it. I find these minor breaches of law to be indicative of the type of person they are, the more they breach these minor laws, license plates, indicating, proper lane management, etc, the more likely they are on the higher end of the absolute bell-end scale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    So now you're admitting that the Guards cannot prosecute someone for illegal number plates. A bit of an about-turn on your previous comments in this thread.

    But if you have had the training you allege to have had surely you would have known this all along......it's hard to believe someone who claims to have once been a member of AGS when they don't appear to know the Law 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    No prosecutions for 10 years up until last year.

    Change the legislation, it is a job for AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Somebody should tell the Minister about how the cool lads put on their 'good' plates for the NCT and then swap back to their 'cool' plates for the rest of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes but we can't blame the NCT testers who can only test the vehicle as presented.

    In the meantime there are cars driving around with plates that are clearly illegal some of which can't be read by cameras and others that are illegible to other road users.

    Then we have the UK numbers printed onto Irish style plates and God knows what they are about.

    All the dodgy plate users can easily outfox the NCT and clearly are not getting caught by Revenue so the obvious answer is to change the legislation and give the job to AGS.

    That is if we are serious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    What are you on about? How did you get me admitting they can't do anything out of what you quoted? Or are you just being pedantic that AGS submit the information and Revenue prosecute? Because AGS still have a role in the prosecution there. Yeah, you're just being pedantic and trying to act all high and mighty about it.

    And I couldn't give a fiddlers what you believe or not. I've nothing to prove to an internet cool guy. But continue to pretend to know more than you do. I'm sure you know the exact process involved so be a good chap and inform us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭beachhead


    The so called traffic corp that you refer to are not a new force magicked up from somewhere.They are regular Gardai seconded into it whether they wanted to or not.The Gardai in general are not interested in prosecuting or investigating if it involves too much of their time.Excdeptions,of course are murders(mostly)gun crime(mostly)rape(a lot).Road traffic offences are way down the list unless you kill or injure someone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I never said they weren't. And yes, that's how most positions are filled when you start off in AGS. I wouldn't say they're not interested, more they don't have the time. As you noted, most road traffic stuff is minor and not worth the hassle or time, especially when our legal profession is so good at finding loopholes and our judges don't drive themselves so don't encounter the minor issues that everyone else deals with daily.

    In my 10 years, I never had enough time to do files and even less time to actually police for road traffic stuff. People act like angels when they see a marked car. Well, most. There's always idiots who can't even see them. If there were a lot more FCN offences, I'd imagine the numbers would go up, but such simple things require a court case.

    But back to my point, the ex-Traffic Corp now Roads Policing Unit mainly concentrated on traffic offences, setting up those pesky checkpoints to catch people who believe they shouldn't have to pay the same as everyone else, how dare they. Their bread and butter was intoxicated driving and checkpoints. They didn't decide where to go and where to set up checkpoints, directions come from above but people act like it's the individual Garda setting it up. They certainly assisted the regular and other units, but when dispatching I was only "allowed" to send them to traffic incidents save for an emergency (and no, what most people consider an emergency usually isn't in the larger picture).

    And to end what is turning out to be longer than intended, these small issues being let off lead to, imo, people getting too relaxed and breaking even more laws, and wherever they get that entitlement from. But it again paints a picture of what that person is really like imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭Unsupervised


    Checked. Seems not

    the IRL needs to be on a blue background gold stars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    I love the little "these plates will not pass the NCT" warning on the page there. How are there so many of these plates on the road then? I doubt everyone is swapping plates before the test and then swapping them back?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It says in the link that they are an NCT fail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    You know the lads at the NCT aren't exactly known for doing their job well?

    My sister was actually caught with this on her first NCT with her current car. She was fuming calling loads of places that day to sort it out for her. Previous owner obviously got away with it for the 7-8 years they had the car. Given how popular illegal plates are I doubt people are swapping them out for the NCT. It just isn't enforced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,652 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Thats exactly what people do, its only once a year or once every two years. Not a big inconvenience



  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,353 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    I've seen the grey plates, some of them looked pretty good. I also liked the blacked out ones, but it's not worth 10k in fines. :-D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Are the German style ones illegal? Quite like the look of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,267 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The previous owner should have given her the correct plates. He probably still has them hanging on a nail on his shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,564 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,652 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Yes and no. If they have the IRL flag, hyphens, and county, they can pass. Especially if there is no 0 in the numbers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do you recall if there was a particular section or unit in Revenue that dealt with reports of dodgy reg plates?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,892 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Unlike most of the other "custom" plates, as long as they conform to layout, fonts etc. the pressed metal are legal

    From SI318/1992

    6. An identification mark which is exhibited on a metal plate shall be embossed by being raised above the flat surface of the plate and shall form part of the plate.



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