Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

Why should I repeat what others have already costed in great detail contained in this thread previously, also including the Defence Commission which consisted of military experts from home & abroad? If you haven't managed to read the suggestions given & not noticed the media reports over the last years, that's not my issue.

Suggesting that a €billion is to be spent on squadrons of fighter jets is your fantasy & nobody else's.

You are just on here to abuse other posters & have no serious proposals nor debating skills to make regarding defence & military expenditure.

You're literally doing what you don't want done to you, taking pot shots and acting as if you know better than the defence forces.

You clearly haven't got a clue, and i find It somewhat laughable that your only line of defence is that other countries should protect us.

Would ya ever feck off what that shite, you couldn't string a proper argument together if your life depended on it.

You have literally no counter as to why Ireland doesn't need a defence nor can you in any way shape or form provide a scenario where you can back up why Ireland should rely on other nations.

Taking your rants on a questionable whole, Ireland as a sovereign state should not engage in any sort of defence spending because the UK and the US are there to protect us.

Utter gibshiterry

Lets go through your 'facts' ...

1) Irelands Geographical Location and proximity to nations with good ties and strong militaries that would without doubt aid us in the extremely unlikely event we were invaded.

As I said before they may help but we have to fight back first Also the UK is still the most likely enemy, would other nations look on it as an internal matter?

2) The futility of us shooting down a Russian aircraft that refused to obey a weak, underfunded outdated token irish airforce.

In these situations a fly by is all that would be necessary how often have the UK shot down a Russian jet in their airspace?

3) Our inability to cope with the response from countries like Russia if we did in fact use Fighter Jets to shoot down there aircraft thus leading to the point why even have them in the first place?

What response could Russia make if this unlikely event occurred? Sanctions? hardly an all out invasion and we show we are prepared to fight them.

4) The billions the program would cost and it would unless you think the jets will pay for themselves and in there spare time build there own facilities, radar, buy munitions and train pilots.

Not Billions as said before. A few jets perhaps on a lease arrangement.

5) Our Global presence and the fact we conduct ourselves well and are well liked by other nations, no need for fancy fighter jets if you get along with everyone which we do.

Really? If a country tries to get along with everyone it is left alone? History does not support this view but precisely the opposite.

6) And last but not least we have got by without jets for decades without any incident or need for them why should we all of a sudden allocate over a billion or more to something that would be a token effort at best at air defense when we could use that money far better in the country. by one..

The Billions again! Yes we did fine without them for a long time but the world is changing fast, look at Ukraine and the threats to peace posed by resource shortages and Glolbal warming coming down the line. You could say that all our regular defence forces are token but that is not to say that they are not necessary. A small force in being can be added to easily starting from scratch is very difficult. There are always ways that money can be 'better' spent but you'll find it hard to get everyone to agree on what.

"I'm literally laughing out loud at the stupid logic but what makes it funnier is the smugness that you think your right"

Your entire argument boils down to "Everyone likes the Paddys"

So a few points.

A. The national security of the county goes beyond "fighter jets" and the idea you keep bringing up about us being physically invaded is not what people involved in the NS area talk about in relation to Ireland...it's just something people like yourself glom onto as some sort of clutch argument because you lack the imagination for anything else.

B. The HSE attack was barely 18 months ago, our health system was brought to its knees by a bunch of Russian/Ukrainian hackers and we had to ask for help from various foreign 3/4 letter acronym OGAs because we didn't have the ability to even process the attack never mind take preventative or investigative measures because "Shure who'd attack us?"

C. Unsecured neutrality is not neutrality..for example their are currently 3 "declared" neutral states in the EU Ireland, Austria, Malta.Austria maintains a sizable military and intelligence/cyber security element, Malta has defence treaties with Italy...we...we hope someone will help. Costa Rica famously demiliterised, except for the defence treaties with the US which they used as a big stick when Nicaragua heated u their border dispute a decade ago

D. In your 5th point "Our global presence....we get along with everyone".... That's nonsense and how a child thinks the World operates

I mean

"“The [...] policies of the Irish Government is something else. There is certainly an unfriendly policy towards Russia and that has been stated quite clearly on many occasions.”

RF Ambassador Yuri Filatov Sept 2022

Smug enough for you?

Ah yeah you'll have that ted

I think he's referring to virgin airlines.

You've literally no distance to yourself.

You aren't capable of debating properly and you're not capable of even posting normally so yeah, whatever nighty - not having a clue is your specialty.

The nonsense just doesn't stop with you. Fantastic, keep it up there.

Prove to me you've been shredding my posts? Unless you mean by talking out of your arse then yes you've beaten me.