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Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    Explain to me the scenario in which we are attacked by Russia or anyone for that matter give me just one realistic scenario as i said your all talking nonsense war fantasies commission included.

    How are we the "most exposed" link in Europe objectively explain to me how we are militarily exposed, i counter your point with our geographical location and proximity to other western superpowers makes us nigh on invincible give me facts and examples to prove me wrong.

    We aren't in charge of anything and we certainly aren't depended upon in such a manner when the US looks to this region of the world they know the UK has that dealt with, end of story Ireland falls under that umbrella because of its proximity to the UK doesn't have anything to do with the UK liking us they wouldn't allow us to be invaded/attacked out of self preservation let alone talking about what the US would do.


    I would challenge anyone with the above facts commission and average person alike, logically we do not need to significantly increase our military spending. Jets for us are wants not needs.

    I think the commissions report is literally laughable and just shows how delusional our military are and the over importance they place upon themselves Ireland in military terms is non existent in the grand scheme of things a literal non factor on the global stage its harsh but true.

    Ironically your last sentence is exactly the reason we don't need to increase our spending because the aid and support we would receive from nations we have good ties with would be near on instant if not preemptive.

    Again you cant use a fictional threat with 0.01% chance of ever happening as a reason to massively increase spending.


    Im curious to know do you genuinely believe we are under a serious chance of being attacked like do you actually believe that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Well Jonny if we want to be really secure i think we should blow every bridge crossing the shannon keep the enemy bottled up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Answer my points first.

    All i see is someone stupidly saying we should surrender ourselves to the protection of another state.

    Christ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Not really, you simply answered with questions..

    And if you seriously believe your answers are that we have the UK to protect us are simply mind boggling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    As i thought petty insults no substance in your retort to debate the points I've made.

    "All i see is someone stupidly saying we should surrender ourselves to the protection of another state."


    We are already under the protection of other states, unless you are naïve enough to believe that we have both the manpower and resources to be self sufficient in any serious 1v1 conflict or confrontation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    Right i need to establish what your beliefs are... Do you believe the reason we aren't attacked or harassed is down to the fact we have our "defense forces"? Do you believe that our geographical location sandwiched between the US & UK with having good ties with both nations is of no protection or advantage to us?


    The questions highlight the flaws in what you were saying and allow you to draw your own conclusion from it i give you some bit of credit.

    Mind boggling indeed the delusion which some people operate on around here... The questions highlight the flaws in what you were saying and allow you to draw your own conclusion from it i give you some bit of credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    We are sandwiched between the US and the UK? News to me..

    Something doesn't seem to be clicking with you, we are a sovereign nation and we need to have an army that can protect the state, that can protect the seas and can protect the skies.

    Your obtuse way of thinking is the same mindset as those that say we should spend more on healthcare etc etc when they already get an immense amount of money.

    Does a threat have to be there before we act? In that case, why bother going for check ups or to the mechanic, just wait for **** to go totally wrong and then react.

    Why should we want another country to protect us? It's an embarrassment and it's about time the government reacts to it.

    What advantage is it to us to have a good relationship with the UK? Militarily speaking.

    Why should the British tax payer and the Irish tax payer fund a foreign armies intervention? We cried for independence and yet we are so keen and ok with having our "independence" protected by the same nation we wanted to be independent from.

    If the UK were to help isn't a favour for us at all, they own the northern part of the country and will be far more interested in their interests than in ours.

    Time for Ireland to grow a pair of balls and stop letting people like you decide how the country should be protected, or in your case not protected at all.

    I suspect you'll come back with more nonsense or "petty insults" as you put it so I'm just going to ignore whatever it is you'll respond.

    Have a good one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    If that's what you gathered from that post its probably for the best that you don't engage further as you haven't the comprehension or capacity to engage in a meaningful debate about the actual topic and will inevitably have to resort to hurling petty insults at posters out of frustration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    Why you throwing a tantrum? the forum is for debate stop taking it so personally when someone disagrees with you, you are getting far too emotional.

    Ignoring someone's response out of fear of being exposed or proven wrong is just childish.

    Why should we be doomsday preppers and spend vast swats of money on high military spending out of nothing but sheer paranoia and ego of being able to protect ourselves, the UK relies on the US and NATO for back up in conflicts but here we are too good for help apparently! lol

    But its not help though because here's the truth the UK will never ever let a power take Ireland for obvious reasons and neither will the US you don't have to like that but its just reality, there will never be a day where Russia will invade Ireland and UK wont declare war on them immediately.

    Is it clear now? can you see from a military strategic stand point why Ireland is near on Invincible? and thus we actually really don't need an advanced military.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Tankie, or just a basic Troll, surprised people have bothered to engage the poster so much at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    They have engaged and failed to surmount the facts and logic presented to them and like yourself have reverted to petty insults and the safety of the clique you seem to have going in here utter war fantasy echo chamber for the delusional.

    If you are not willing to have discussion about the topic or entertain fact based counter arguments just leave the thread or perhaps a mod could remove you.

    Your attempt to label anyone that disagrees with you a troll is a pathetic attempt to discredit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    So here we are trying to waste €300 million for a relatively small squadron of 10 aircraft, made up of potentially second hand, or inferior outdated aircraft, to try and keep up with the cutting edge, brand new, vastly superior super jets of a superpower, who have been doing this for decades, talk about an absolute money pit.. this is what's being put forward by the leadership based on a kneejerky paranoid reaction that russia is out to get us lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    You are a little shy on your pricing there. The deal the Michael Martin did with the French Government was 1.5 Billion inculding Spares and training for the 15 Rafales to be based at cork airport



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Excellent! If only it were true!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Oh it is true sure it was in the echo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Nighttime22


    Worse again

    Gonna be great when we get a few outdated second hand banger's that'll definitely put the fear of god into the Russians..

    Between that now and the genius level planning by the defense forces i feel safer already.

    Whats next? should we get a few ICBM's since the auld Russians flirted with the idea of detonating an underwater nuke or worse cutting off the internet! gotta be ready to respond to all threats isnt that right folks lmfao



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,894 ✭✭✭✭bear1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,918 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He is kidding.

    But as with all humour from the Rebel County, its not funny.

    Well, except Reggie. I like Reggie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    No need for advanced dogfighter jets in dealing with Russian military offshore flights. They use 'Bears' so any reasonably supersonic interceptor would do the necessary fendiing off/flying the flag.

    I still think the more likely enemy is the UK especially if it becomes destabilized as seems more likely every day.



  • Posts: 52 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Could we not crowdfund a few F-16 Block 60+ like they do in Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭sparky42


    They haven’t crowdfunded anything like that, think they’re largest equipment buy like that has been the U.K. APCs they bought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Ukraine is using upgraded MIG 29s. Effectively too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    I think the trolls must be out on bail or something…this is the second one in a month. Himself and his jet planes must be Murphy voters



  • Posts: 52 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is an ideal time for Ireland to develop its own fighter jet, using all the people laid off from tech and the finest of Irish business. If the Japanese can get permission from McDonald-Douglas to let them build their own F2 out of the F-16, then Ireland could do the same. Of course, it would use Irish avionics and weapons systems such as concrete bombs from CRH, Wireguided missiles from EIR, a glass cockpit with Irish language symbology, and leverage the Dublin BUs precision guidance system. It could also be sponsored by a fast food chain to reduce costs. It would be called the McDonalds-Douglas F-16 Concrete Block 70+ - "The Hurley".

    It'll be Grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    Ireland would be great and doing something like this. We have the tech and expertise there is literally no political will, funding or infrastructure to do such a thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭sparky42




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    You might have something there. Could it run on turf?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Because it and the other legacy platforms are what they have and are trained on, they also have pilots in the US learning F 16s.



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