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Westmeath school gets temporary injunction banning a suspended teacher from it's premises

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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To which the judge came back with

    Mr Justice Max Barratt said he accepted the case was not about the issue of transgenderism and was simply an application for a further injunction which he granted.




  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With the exception of religious or right-wing whacko site, there looks to be a marked change in how its being reported too, with the breach of the injunction being flagged as the issue with the rest being a footnote




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sure, but he will never see that, from his attitude. The legal system will continue to issue the order but eventually somebody has to figure a way out of it. Burke coming back week after week for the next six months to say he's not for turning because of his faith makes for quite a public mess.



  • Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whatever your feelings on their beliefs, they generally carry themselves in a quiet, well-spoken and polite manner.

    Just wondering if you know them personally?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Almost certainly come to a court case over the root cause at some stage and then we'll learn more of the true sequence of events. I think Burke may be on firmer ground that many others here seem to think, plenty of precedents have been set/ accepted as regards religious beliefs and the workplace.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh it'll be a farce for sure, but one entirely of his making and one which can only be fixed by one of two ways, either he agrees to abide by the injunction or the school drops the matter but I can't see that happening.

    Other than that he'll be hoping the courts will let him out on mercy grounds, which they won't do. If they give an injunction, they enforce it full stop so the court will only let him out based on one of the 2 options above

    You'd have to wonder though, with the disciplinary process still to come, if he ends up being sacked would he still try to turn up at that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,646 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Why did the school hire him in the first place? Surely employers give them a wide berth at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He could be a good teacher, good enough to be employed by them anyway. There are no suggestions of any major issues with him before this emerged. He teaches German, history and politics, as well as debating. He also says he loves the school and his students.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,134 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    clearly not if they think the family "generally carry themselves in a quiet, well-spoken and polite manner".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,134 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    "The true sequence of events"

    what do you think has been reported incorrectly so far?



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The "fight" is the agenda.

    It's all about getting air-time for their particular brand of extreme evangelical Christianity.

    There are plenty of US based dark money funds that would be happy to pay a few court bills to take the battle against Abortion/Gay Marriage/Transgender to the International stage.

    Paying some Irish court bills is chump change to what they spend in the US on this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, kinda thought that Quinner, thanks for putting it so clearly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You missed a lot of the news reports, then, which detailed why he was suspended in the first place. You may also have missed the coverage of Ammi Burke's WRC case, which effectively ended up getting dismissed because her mother kept interrupting witnesses and officers of the commission.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I do feel sorry for the Burke siblings. They are well educated but when they get in difficulty all they seem to have in their corner is mammy and daddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    If you don’t mind me saying one would have to be very badly informed to have any sympathy with those folk.

    They are all ,as you said , well educated, so in this posters opinion should have the sense to tell their, in my opinion, batshït crazy parents to stop tilting at windmills.

    Otherwise they will become pariahs and no body with a lick of sense will touch them with a barge pole.

    Its really that simple



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I think they are so convinced of their religious righteousness they just do not care if they get shunned by the vast majority of other people

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Apparently he could be moved in with the general population in the Joy, that might put his religious convictions to an "interesting" test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,958 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,399 ✭✭✭amacca


    What we're the burkes protesting about there...


    That the death should have been ruled misadventure?


    What side were they taking and what was their involvement?


    I presumed they were on the side of the family but then report said mrs burke shouted at father of the teenager????



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,905 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    He says he'll stay one hundred years. Realistically, as such a clean liver, he'll probably last 60.

    I'd say thats about fair dues for the amount of hate, harassment and misery he and his family have perpetrated, or attempted to, on people minding their own business.

    The only way this could get better is if Eufegenia, Zebedee, Salach and all the rest carried out some sort of protest that itself became subject of a Court injunction and they ended up lined up right beside him and in Dóchas.

    I bet the Father would be glad of a quiet spell at home in front of the Telly. Of course, he'd have to buy one first.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep and they have a habit of attracting birds of a feather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Agreed. Forgive me but I have to feel sorry for him in a way. Born into that family and home schooled etc. Did he ever have friends? Girlfriends? A life? I look at it as kind of ending up with a disability in a way. Just my opinion. His brain was just indoctrinated and inundated with these beliefs growing up to the point where the priority is given to these beliefs over all else and there is an inability to behave or think differently. I also think he will have no issue doing time. He doesn't look like he has ever set foot in a gym but I'd imagine he's probably got the mental strength and willpower of a multiple time Olympic Gold Medalist. He's probably already mentally prepared for a life sentence. It will be interesting to see how this develops because I don't think this lad is the type to back down.. from anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭One Who Waits...


    Doing time won't be a problem for him; he'll sit reading & 'getting strength' from the bible all day long. If, following disciplinary review, he's dismissed from his teaching job at the school, will he then be free to walk out of prison without having had to purge his contempt?

    Being dismissed from his job will, no doubt, result in another attention seeking court case...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    That’s ok, however ,maybe around the ninth or tenth year a bit of cop on might occur.

    When the strong flashbulbs of publicity start losing power and nobody other than the cone hats give a fück, reality might descend like welcoming cloud.

    After 20 years it becomes routine, I’m told…………carry on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I don't know if he ever had friends in NUIG the parents used show up to me this was the worst part of the protests.

    His parents would nearly turn you off people home schooling their kids.

    I do wonder how he'd get on in prison and how long he'd spend their. He might encounter a religious prisoner but they wouldn't be to his standards.

    Also going forward in the long term I think if he's being a good Christian he should really be out looking for a wife to start a family and not rotting in jail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    This country was heavily influenced by religious dogma and zealots for decades and we got on with it. What makes the Burkes so special now? Do people feel threatened by people of conviction? Would they be more acceptable if they were Catholic zealots? Is part of the unspoken disdain people seem to have that his name is Enoch and they are some brand of Protestant/ Evangelical faith?

    It'd also be interesting to hear more of the views of parents who send their children to Wilsons Hospital school. I think it's a fee paying school for most and it's possible that many parents might be a touch more conservative on the whole and quite possibly have a grudging respect for the stance this teacher has taken. Since the parents pay the piper, I'm sure the school burser or whoever is also watching carefully in case it impacts on their enrolments etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,911 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Not being judgemental but any parent who would let their children come into contact with that family would need to take a look at themselves, in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭French Toast


    If he refuses to cooperate will he be in Mountjoy indefinitely?

    Strange hill he's choosing to die on.



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