Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

24-08-2022 07:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513721#Comment_119513721

You can't compare us to Leinster though. Their fans have Ireland games on their doorstep to pay for (or go to) too. We have 3 cities to try and reach. We're in a completely different commercial situation too, there's probably dozens of multi-million potential sponsors within 10 miles of the RDS - Limerick is a wealthy county but not on the same scale commercially etc.

Former Former Former · 24-08-2022 07:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513721#Comment_119513721

The article seems to suggest 200k rent which is a lot lower than I would have expected.

Seems very low alright, but I guess it's a Tuesday night in November. A Saturday afternoon in May might be a different ask.

24-08-2022 07:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513732#Comment_119513732

How often do we make big knock out games? This is just another option, it may not work out but there's an another IRFU angle to think about here, if we bid for a RWC we'll need to demonstrate we've access to these stadiums.

You can't underestimate the psychological (and brand) value of keeping big Munster games within Munster either. Munster taking over Cork for a big, big game is far better for the brand than 50,000 of us driving up and down to Dublin for an afternoon. The games get kinda lost in a city the size of Dublin, despite what people on here think.

Cookiemunster · 24-08-2022 07:55AM

Whatever about anything else, the RWC boat has well and truly sailed. It's never coming to Ireland other than the possibility a few games in the Aviva when someone else is the main host.

24-08-2022 07:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513781#Comment_119513781

Well, you didn't think Munster would host games in PuC either so maybe stick to discussing your favourite jersey?

Former Former Former · 24-08-2022 08:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513773#Comment_119513773

if we bid for a RWC we'll need to demonstrate we've access to these stadiums.

That is already demonstrated, the GAA were fully on board with the previous RWC bid and PuC was one of the venues.

I get the point about keeping Munster games in Munster and it would be a great occasion, but there's a big trade-off in terms of cold hard cash.

24-08-2022 08:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513790#Comment_119513790

Was PuC finished for the last bid? I'm pretty sure it wasn't, now it is.

On the money thing, the sums aren't as bad as people here seem to think. a fee of 200k (which gives Munster the bar revenues) is pretty good. 7,000 tickets at 30 quid each would cover it before a pint is sold.

Cookiemunster · 24-08-2022 08:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513784#Comment_119513784

Chill out dude (and maybe try a better level of insult). I still don't think we'll see a regular season games played there. Especially if the rumours of naming rights sponsorship for TP come true. But after the disaster that was the bid for the 2023 RWC it's quite obvious that Ireland will never be the sole host of a RWC.

Cookiemunster · 24-08-2022 08:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513794#Comment_119513794

PuC didn't need to be finished until next year. As it was, it was finished and open in July 2017 and France were awarded the RWC in Nov 2017.

bennyl10 · 24-08-2022 08:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513140#Comment_119513140

It's true for a number of reasons, a big part of the ST selling is European games in Thomond and Leinster at Christmas, if that suddenly becomes a "Ya one of them may be in cork" you'll drop Thomond ST's, which are one of the biggest money makers the club has.

That's before you factor in rent on a stadium we don't own, and that Thomond is (seemingly) going to have a name sponsor soon, there's no way that agreement is gonna be okay with the biggest games of the season moving somewhere else.

European knockouts, not scheduled at the start of the season, which need bigger venues, then PUC is a great shout. But there's little to no chance of it being used for regular season games

24-08-2022 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513822#Comment_119513822

I'm delightedly chill, you spent months saying these games wouldn't happen. I'm fairly sure you've absolutely no insight into the business of the IRFU but still spent hours of your life arguing about something you know nothing about.

I've no idea if we'll bid for the RWC again, or if we'll do a joint bid, or whatever, but either way, PuC will be part of the discussion now, if this game gets GAA approval.

But please, tell me more about what the IRFU's plans in this area are, with your tremendous insights you really aren't wasting anyone's time...

24-08-2022 08:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513822#Comment_119513822

I would completely agree with your comment "I still don't think we'll see a regular season game(s) played there".

PuC would be an ideal venue for a one off game vs. the Boks or a Heineken Cup Quarter/Semi final.

Munster rarely sell out TP (The odd Heineken Cup pool game and St. Stephen's Day vs. Leinster being the exceptions), there would be very little justification in renting a stadium with an additional 20k capacity if you couldn't fill the venue sitting idle for the same fixture.

There is also the rumored naming rights as you have mentioned that will no doubt have implications along with season ticket packages and other issues with regards to commercial contracts within existing stadium.

There is also PuC's location, talk to anyone in GAA circles, its a ball-ache to get to and from, even more so if you are not familiar with the area.

In fairness, Munster do seem to be doing a little more to please the Cork crowd. There's an additional fixture this year, one against a higher caliber opposition than normal (Scarlets) and even one of the fixtures on a Saturday evening @ 5pm.

I've mentioned some of the above in the past and am still not convinced it would be a viable option other than a one off fixture like what is being proposed.

Former Former Former · 24-08-2022 08:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513868#Comment_119513868

I've no idea if we'll bid for the RWC again, or if we'll do a joint bid, or whatever, but either way, PuC will be part of the discussion now, if this game gets GAA approval

It was already part of the discussion (and a formal bid) regardless of this match.

24-08-2022 08:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513887#Comment_119513887

But one-off games are all that's being discussed? An International, a Euro knock out and maybe, in time, a big league game.

No one sees Munster moving regular league games there, i've no idea why you're even addressing it?

24-08-2022 08:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513912#Comment_119513912

It wasn't built though, do you remember the old PuC, or were you ever in it?

If anything the old PuC probably counted against us, given its condition.

Former Former Former · 24-08-2022 08:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513922#Comment_119513922

???

The redeveloped PuC was part of the RWC bid. The old PuC had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Cookiemunster · 24-08-2022 08:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513868#Comment_119513868

How many times do you need to be told that PuC was already part of the discussion. It was one of the stadiums submitted as part of the bid. Munster possibly playing SA there will have made zero difference to something that has already happened.

And I never said that PuC would never host a Munster rugby game. I've said many times that it was unlikely to happen for a regular season game, and I stand by that opinion.

Also I haven't spent months or hours doing anything. This topics pops up now and again for a few days and dies down again. I might input 4 or 5 posts at a time. A long way from months or hours.

It's interesting that you claim that you're delightedly chill while ranting about my posting history. Doesn't seem delightedly chilled to me. Also interesting that you seem to be picking me out as the only poster who argued the same position. Is everyone on here with the same opinion as me wasting everyones time so? Are you claiming that you have insight into the IRFUs business that nobody else on here has?

bennyl10 · 24-08-2022 08:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513917#Comment_119513917

there's little to zero chance of a non knockout league game being played in PUC(i'd even go so far as to say any league game) over the next decade (assuming that's how long the rumoured naming rights are)

aloooof · 24-08-2022 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513922#Comment_119513922

There's an obvious issue with this point tho; the bid included, and the RWC matches would've been played in, the upgraded PuC.

The condition at the time of the bid is largely irrelevant.

24-08-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513917#Comment_119513917

Because it's been mentioned about moving league games to PuC. There's only one league game a year that sells out Thomond Park and in the 2021/2022 season, it was still under 21,000. Albeit a rescheduled fixture.

To move a league game, it would have to be known the previous April when they begin selling Season Tickets. The proposed SA game is around 11/12 weeks away and a decision hasn't been made yet.

24-08-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513949#Comment_119513949

Your ignorance was pretty marked to me, it stood out.

Cookiemunster · 24-08-2022 08:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513965#Comment_119513965

Ah, personal insults is it? Not actually responding to any point that I made. You know that's a sign that you're losing an argument right?

24-08-2022 08:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513976#Comment_119513976

It's not an insult to point out you talked a lot about something you knew nothing about. It's accurate.

snotboogie · 24-08-2022 09:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513636#Comment_119513636

The current makeup of the squad for this season is 17 Cork players, 8 Limerick players, 8 foreign players, 6 from other Munster counties and 5 Irish players from outside Munster.

Cork has done remarkably poorly out of the current provincial system.

arsebiscuits1 · 24-08-2022 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513986#Comment_119513986

Actively ignoring people calling you out on inaccurate points about the redeveloped PuC yet calling people ignorant is a bit rich my friend.

You seem to be on a bit of a high horse that people said you were wrong on a point you were partially correct on.

But I don't think it's because people thought you were wrong. I think it's because you're being bullish and a bit of a pill in your delivery and tone on your posts.

Your tone and general posting stinks of a superiority complex. Now I highly doubt you're self aware enough to see why that might lead to people calling you out. But it does. And it should

stephen_n · 24-08-2022 10:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514096#Comment_119514096

As a matter of curiosity. How many schools do those 17 players from Cork come from?

Red Silurian · 24-08-2022 10:19AM

If memory serves the examiner ran a story in January suggesting PuC could be used for a European home game. Not only did the QF happen in Dublin but a potential SF would have been there as well, at "home" to Leinster no less. Now that same newspaper is the main one running this story. While I hope I'm wrong and it happens I am skeptical.

Red Silurian · 24-08-2022 10:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514096#Comment_119514096

Looks to me like cork are doing fairly well and have managed to edge out Limerick's previous dominance

24-08-2022 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514253#Comment_119514253

Superiority complex?

I've actively let slip info about the business plans of Munster rugby here a few times to get a conversation going, it's genuinely nothing to me if lads here don't believe the info. What I disliked was posters who I knew to be completely and utterly wrong acting as though they knew the financial situation and engaging in hours of dismissive talk rather than backing what's a pretty exciting moment for Munster rugby. It's pretty hard to see something you know will be great knocked by know-nothings over and over again before it's even announced.

These talks were on-going while the discussions on here were on-going, which is why it stuck in my mind.

24-08-2022 10:40AM

"It's pretty hard to see something you know will be great knocked by know-nothings over and over again before it's even announced."

Calling posters in this thread know-nothings is a bit much. Posters in this thread obviously have an interest in Munster Rugby and anything that will aid the development of rugby within the province. Posters are only giving their opinion on why the potential for fixtures in PuC might not be viable for run of the mill league games. If everyone had the same opinion of the workings of Munster Rugby there would be no need for this thread.

You will see plenty support the idea of a fixture in PuC but its hardly a crime to point out the potential shortcomings in a proposal to host regular fixtures there.

If anything, rugby in Ireland seems to pander to the genuine know-nothings and those that have no interest in the sport rather than try to take on board the genuine feedback that matchgoers provide to them. If the enhance the experience of those that regularly attend, it would make the experience much more pleasant to those that occasionally attend and may convince them to attend more frequently.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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