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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

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    #12512
    54and56
    Registered Users Posts: 7,641 ✭✭✭54and56


    I watched the EU / UK Forum Conference live today, some good exchanges and topics covered.

    This discussion in particular might be of interest to members of this thread. Richard Szostak from the EU Commission is the epitome of the calm older bull (even though he's not that old) and projects cool slowly slowly catchy monkey confidence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sybwi3mYQhQ&list=PLsA0JFaokqCs2RghFZ2FrXqEGEpHQPB98&index=3




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    #12513
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119273190#Comment_119273190

    He's not attractive...his power and status/celebrity is. That's the kind of band aid that makes up for a lot.



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    #12514
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119269016#Comment_119269016

    CAP definitely is about preserving the agricultural sector in the EU and protecting farmers from cheap imports. EU farming could have been protected in 1 of 2 ways, import duties on food from outside the EU, this would cost EU consumers directly in higher food prices. The other option is Income supports for farmers to make it sustainable for them to produce food when market prices don't cover their higher costs.

    It would be a strategic disaster for the EU to lose the ability to produce our own food just because it can be imported cheaply from low cost countries.



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    #12515
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266596#Comment_119266596

    EU farmers have to export their food at global market rates. CAP is to ensure that there is an agricultural sector, but prices are set by the market.



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    #12516
    roosterman71
    Registered Users Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    CAP was to ensure cheap high quality food. Drop CAP and food prices will rise, agriculture will diminish and we'll import from regions with less rules/regulations. CAP has changed from being linked to production to being linked to land management.



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    #12517
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    CAP is one of the great wonders of the EU.

    We don't have the quality, quantity or indeed farm to fork without CAP.

    Admittedly we'd still have sugar factories, but alas, there's multiple arguments for and against what happened there.



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    #12518
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭yagan


    On food standards food producers in non-EU countries have sought EU certification even for produce sold globally. It's called the Brussels effect of quality assurance. A good example would be how NZ producers joined Ireland in becoming the biggest baby formula partnership in the wake of the Chinese baby food scare. NZ lamb is also certified for by EU standards.



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    #12519
    reslfj
    Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭reslfj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275168#Comment_119275168

    And an increasing part to "getting green" management.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275252#Comment_119275252

    EU's support for sugar production has been reduced since the the EU rule change in 2005.

    The current Ukraine has - IMO - demonstrated the importance for EU to produce enough food for our own populations ourselves.

    It seems entirely possible to reduce and return marginal land to nature, use less pesticides and fertiliser, while maintaining the production of basic food for us all.

    Lars 😀

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariann_Fischer_Boel



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    #12520
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The problem of the EU to produce food for the EU is getting those avocados to grow in Tipp. Bananas do not grow that well either, but they do grow some in Cyprus I believe, but not enough for Fyffes. Sugar beet is a good crop - provides sugar and fodder for cattle - can't beat it.

    Most Irish farmers do not even have a vegetable garden, but buy the green stuff from supermarkets. They could start there.

    Ireland is not even self sufficient in potatoes - 175 years after the famine. Have we learnt nothing?



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    #12521
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275385#Comment_119275385

    And it's. It just food standards. EU standards are the world's foremost standard regime in almost all industries.



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    #12522
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,754 ✭✭✭amacca


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275561#Comment_119275561

    I believe it is.....as long as its paid for.



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    #12523
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275614#Comment_119275614

    We prefer the taste and properties (chipping suitability for instance) of types of potatoes that don't grow well in this climate. Makes self sufficiency quite hard.



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    #12524
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276205#Comment_119276205

    You can be self sufficient by growing your own - there was a time every garden had a drill of potatoes. The farmers have gone for dairy over potatoes - and do not even grow their own spuds.

    We used to export loads, but not so much of late.



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    #12525
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276278#Comment_119276278

    Not if you, as the bulk of the Irish public do, prefer a type of potato that doesn't grow properly here. Which is my point. Roosters and queens aren't suitable for much



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    #12526
    farmerval
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭farmerval


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119276462#Comment_119276462

    Where did you dream that up??? Queens are an excellent early variety, got Ballinacourty Queens last week in Dungarvan, they were delicious. Roosters are possibly the most popular potatoe in Ireland.



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    #12527
    farmerval
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭farmerval


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275123#Comment_119275123

    That's been the case for quite some time, basically the EU are happy to pay farmers to farm, to adhere to good environmental and animal welfare practices, to essentially care for the countryside. Over time more and more CAP funding is being channelled into rural development funding rather than just farming.



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    #12528
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277349#Comment_119277349

    Popular doesn't equal suitable.

    The bulk of potatoes we import are Maris Pipers and similar varieties which are very hard to grow here - and are suitable for stuff that the easier to grow here varieties are not

    Delicious boiled is often terrible fried - and that's how we consume most of them.



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    #12529
    yagan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭yagan


    Just on a note on potato use. The irish diet was far more varies before the cromwellian era but the mass confiscations and continued insecurity of tenure through penal law times forced dependence on the potato as it could be quickly dug up upon eviction and replanted elsewhere.



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    #12530
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277392#Comment_119277392

    According to Bord Bia, most potatoes grown in Ireland are just as suitable for the uses they cite for Maris Piper - Rooster, Kerr's Pink, Records, British Queens, Cara, Home Guard.

    We still import a lot of potatoes from the UK, but since Brexit, we have got more from Belgium, France, Italy, etc. I assume this will happen more, but we should grow more here.

    https://www.bordbia.ie/whats-in-season/vegetables/potatoes/potato-varieties/



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    #12531
    20silkcut
    Registered Users Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277488#Comment_119277488

    I once heard a commercial potato farmer say that he would have no interest in sowing potatoes or taking land to grow potatoes in this country more than 25 miles from the east coast or north of clonmel. Yes potatoes can be grown countrywide but large scale commercial growing is in very particular geographical regions. North Dublin and Meath being the most prominent.



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    #12532
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277488#Comment_119277488

    And they're wrong. Roosters are an awful compromise, suitable for bog all

    Floury varieties are completely useless for what you use waxy types for so that list is gibberish



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    #12533
    roosterman71
    Registered Users Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    On a recent Finnegans Farm video (look up their channel on Youtube) they were talking to some spud expert who was saying a lot of development is being put into potatoes that grow well here and are suitable for chipping.

    Edit: First few minutes of this one - https://youtu.be/cZ7WSC7znik



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    #12534
    dublin49
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭dublin49


    am hearing about super injunction by Boris relating to Hairdresser,relevant to Brexit because if he falls next up may change course and embrace a softer relationship with EU.Cant think of potential leader who might change their spots although Truss was a remainer a while back.



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    #12535
    Mr Clever
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭Mr Clever


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277628#Comment_119277628

    Gardening forum ————————>>>>>>



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    #12536
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,141 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I remember chucking when seeing a Foreign Office tweet of Liz Truss pledging to defend Hong Kong as if the word of Britain either carries weight or has any trust. Seems I wasn't the only one.

    https://twitter.com/ChinaEmbIreland/status/1542908356448354304


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #12537
    Debub
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Debub


    So as per EU, no border on the island of Ireland… wonder how we will get kicked out of the SM now🤔

    https://youtu.be/QE8tFVanM-M




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    #12538
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278313#Comment_119278313

    That is not going to happen. A more likely scenario is WTO terms to NI companies wanting trade with the EU. And a WTO Brexit to all other UK companies.

    The idea that Ireland would be kicked out of the Single Market would be toxic to Ireland’s relationship with the EU.

    The EU has already said they will not allow the UK to force Ireland out of the internal market.



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    #12539
    2forjoy
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭2forjoy


    Possibly a border back in the sea again but this time East of the UK.

    Post edited by 2forjoy on


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    #12540
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Looks like Labour are starti g to attack the Brexit mess the Tories have delivered.


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    https://www.ft.com/content/3d2217f4-916d-411b-ba6a-866f26607cb1


    “They have created a hulking ‘fatberg’ of red tape,” he will say in a speech, comparing Brexit to the “wet wipe island” found in the river Thames. “It is hampering the flow of British business — we will break that barrier down.”

    They also seem to have a plan to work with the EU to improve trade flows...

    https://www.ft.com/content/3d2217f4-916d-411b-ba6a-866f26607cb1



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    #12541
    looksee
    Registered Users Posts: 28,046 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    That link is not only behind a paywall, it has a moat and drawbridge too! 😀



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