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Abortion Discussion, Part the Fourth

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    (deleted again - that poster had one of the shortest Boards careers ever...)

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Interesting letter from Peter Boylan in last Saturday's IT. Almost three years of the delay to the NMH project was caused by the nuns applying to the Vatican for approval to transfer ownership of St. Vincent's.



    Sir, – Stephen Collins is incorrect that delay in progressing the National Maternity Hospital move to Elm Park was "caused by claims that the hospital would be subject to dictates from the nuns who run St Vincent's Hospital" ("National Maternity Hospital decision is a welcome sign of the Government's backbone", Opinion & Analysis, May 20th).

    The first delay was between November 2014 and November 2016 after St Vincent’s rejected the original plan of NMH co-location on its campus, insisting instead on full ownership of the new hospital.

    Progress stalled for two years as two government-sponsored mediations between the hospitals failed, before NMH Master Dr Rhona Mahony and deputy chair Nicholas Kearns conceded in September 2016 to the third mediator, Kieran Mulvey, that, “We are willing to dissolve the [NMH] Charter and agree that the ownership of what is now the NMH will transfer to the ownership of SVHG, a private company owned by the Sisters of Charity.”

    This concession formed the basis of the Mulvey report of November 2016, welcomed by then minister for health Simon Harris.

    Five months later in April 2017, there was public uproar when it emerged that a Catholic religious order which had run Magdalene laundries would own the new NMH.

    Mr Harris then asked the NMH and SVHG boards to enter a month-long negotiation process to agree a new ownership structure.

    An apparent breakthrough came on May 29th when the Sisters of Charity announced they would transfer their shareholding in SVHG to a new private charity St Vincent’s Holdings (SVH). Simultaneously, however, SVHG chairman James Menton insisted the move would “only proceed on the basis of existing agreements that give ownership and control of the new hospital to St Vincent’s Healthcare Group”. SVH directors would be committed to “upholding the values and vision” of Mother Mary Aikenhead.

    The Sisters’ shareholding transfer to SVH required three related steps: Vatican approval, registration with the Charities Regulator, and HSE approval (as SVHG is a Section 38 organisation).

    Eighteen months later, however, a spokesperson for the Archdiocese of Dublin confirmed in December 2018 that the Sisters had not commenced the Vatican approval process.

    A further 15 months elapsed before Vatican approval – conditional on the observation of specified canon laws – was issued on March 16th, 2020, adding up to nearly three years of delay on the part of the Sisters of Charity and Rome.

    Registration of SVH with the Charities Regulator was filed on August 18th, 2020.

    A further delay of 19 months ensued during which the HSE board considered concerns about the ownership and governance arrangements raised by its audit and risk committee. Prof Deirdre Madden and Dr Sarah McLoughlin dissented from the board’s majority decision to grant approval eventually taken on March 14th, 2022.

    The constitution of St Vincent’s Holdings was only then filed with the Companies Registration Office.

    What has not delayed the process – but in my view should have – are the following: Government approval of the business case for the project (still under review after three previous rejections); the outcome of the Comptroller and Auditor General’s audit on spending on the project (commenced in August 2021); and scrutiny of the full correspondence between the Sisters of Charity and the Vatican on the terms and conditions for setting up St Vincent’s Holdings. – Yours, etc,

    Dr PETER BOYLAN,

    Dublin 6.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,950 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Criminal enterprise slow walking the badly needed NMH and of course hiding behind the Vatican when it's convenient. Plus extra bonus of just leasing the land to the government for 300 years, where you can be sure the RCC will still be around and up to some 24th century mischief.


    Part of the overbearing influence of the RCC in Irish daily life and especially in Irish politics. Why is the Church allowed to get away with this crap? Because it's o.k. with the RCC types as shown in the "Fall of the Catholic Church' thread. @Hotblack Desiato you should post this letter from Dr. Boylan there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Thanks, you're on the ball 😀. In passing, where do I locate the edit thingy so I can adjust words/wording in my posts.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    The 3 dots by the post number. But you only have 24 hours.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    If you go to the top of the posting box, where the post no is, click beside this and it will show you the edit button and how long left you have to edit that post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's on desktop, I've no idea if/how it works on mobile as I don't use it.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    The woman at the centre of the ‘Miss D’ case in 2007 has said she is “enraged” and “hurt deeply” that women with fatal foetal abnormality diagnoses still have to leave Ireland for abortions.

    Amy Dunne was 16 and in State care when she became pregnant. She found out her baby had anencephaly — a fatal condition where parts of the baby’s skull are missing — on her 17th birthday.

    Speaking at an event on Wednesday to mark the fourth anniversary of the repeal of the 8th amendment, she said that within moments of telling her social worker she wanted to terminate her pregnancy, she was threatened with a murder charge and told that both the Garda and the passport office would be informed she was not permitted to travel for an abortion.

    “I was to carry this pregnancy to the end without any empathy or consideration for my mental health,” said Ms Dunne. In May 2007, the High Court ruled she was legally entitled to travel for an abortion.

    Wednesday’s event, hosted by the National Women’s Council (NWC), heard despite that 2018 legislation permitting abortion on request up to 12 weeks, many women still faced barriers. These include a mandatory three-day waiting period between requesting an abortion and receiving abortifacient medication; geographical inconsistencies in availability of GPs providing abortion services; and, for women with a diagnosis of a foetal abnormality, two doctors must agree her baby would die within 28 days of birth for it to be deemed fatal. Where there was a doubt over how long the baby would live after birth, the woman must still travel after 12 weeks.

    Ms Dunne said the traumas she experienced were “lifelong”.

    “The most difficult part was to leave my baby in Liverpool. No time to see my daughter’s face, no time to sober up after the medication that was needed in my 16-hour labour — just crawling on to a plane, heavily bleeding and trying to hide the shame and hurt while picturing my daughter in a room in a different country.

    “All these years later, I still have traumas and these are lifelong. I have contacted undertakers and hospitals, even after 15 years, trying to find out what my baby looked like. I’ve contemplated digging her up many times just to try to get the time that wasn’t given to me.

    “It hurts deeply to know, like my story, many are still living through this ordeal. I am speaking out today because I want to help ensure that no woman has to travel abroad for basic healthcare that she should be able to receive at home . . . What’s still happening today is not what people voted for four years ago.”

    Dr Marion Dyer, a GP based in Blanchardstown, Dublin, said when she listened to Ms Dunne all she could think was, “Ireland, you are so cruel to women”.

    “What I hear being described by Amy meets the definition of torture,” she said.

    The NWC published data showing just one in 10 GPs offer abortion services, and just 11 of the 19 maternity units or hospitals in Ireland provide abortion services.

    The 2018 Act is currently being reviewed. Among changes needed, says the NWC, are extending the current 12-week limit to abortion on request, removal of the three-day wait time, decriminalisation, and broadening the definition of fatal foetal abnormality.

    ........

    Would love to know who those cnuts were who threatened her. In care or not, she had an explicit constitutional right to travel. No doubt they were fully paid-up members of the catholic cult, the state paying their wages but they were really working for the church not for us...

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Ongoing restrictions of the new legal framework mean that many women and pregnant people continue to find themselves ineligible for care. Close to 600 Irish residents were forced to travel to the UK in 2019 and 2020, and many others will have taken abortion pills without clinical oversight or support.

    This is linked to the fact that abortion currently is only available on request up to 12 weeks, with a three-day mandatory waiting period necessitating two GP consultations, as well as a gestational dating scan in some cases. After 12 weeks, abortion is only allowed on the grounds of risk to health and fatal foetal anomalies.

    In addition to the legal restrictions, geographical coverage of abortion services is poor. Just one in 10 GPs are providing abortion care in the community and only 11 of our 19 maternity hospitals provide full services in line with the law. Outside of our cities the picture is poor, with half of all counties having less than 10 GPs offering the service. When we map GP provision against population density, it appears that Mayo and Wexford in particular may be undersupplied.

    The reality of poor coverage is an increased burden on service users, and this can make access to care within the tight 12-week time frame all the more challenging. Research by Dr Lorraine Grimes and the Abortion Rights Campaign suggests service users are having to travel considerable distances — 30 per cent of respondents reported travel of 4-6 hours to access abortion care. For those in the disabled community, women in situations of domestic abuse who do not have freedom to leave the house and lone parents without childcare, access can be a real challenge.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I thought this sort of thing only happened in places like Guatemala. Not in the US with Roe v. Wade still, for now, in place. In Cali-fcukin-fornia of all places.

    On 4 November 2019, TV stations across California blasted Chelsea Becker’s photo on their news editions. The “search was on” for a “troubled” 25-year-old woman wanted for the “murder of her unborn baby”, news anchors said, warning viewers not to approach if they spotted her but to call the authorities.

    The next day, Becker was asleep at the home she was staying in when officers with the Hanford police department arrived.

    “The officer had a large automatic weapon pointed at me and a K-9 [dog],” Becker, now 28, recalled in a recent interview. “I walked out and surrendered.”

    Two months before, Becker had had a stillbirth at a California hospital, losing a baby boy at eight months pregnant. The King’s county prosecutor in the central valley charged her with “murder of a human fetus”, alleging she had acted with “malice” because she had been struggling with drug addiction and the hospital reported meth in her system.

    Becker’s attorneys argued there was no evidence that substance use caused the stillbirth and California law did not allow for this type of prosecution in the first place. Still, she spent 16 months in jail awaiting trial before a judge dismissed the charges.

    Becker’s nightmare offers a preview of the kinds of criminal cases that could become commonplace in the US if the supreme court, as expected after the leak of a draft opinion last month, officially overturns Roe v Wade. In the states that outlaw abortion, advocates warn, pregnancy losses more broadly will be treated as potential crimes, including in cases of wanted pregnancies. Even with Roe in effect, women have repeatedly faced arrest and charges for their pregnancy outcomes.

    Life ain't always empty.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She was uncontrollably bleeding when she arrived at the Adventist Health Hanford hospital, a faith-based organization, and roughly two hours later lost the child.

    Staff treated her with suspicion, Becker said. Her mother learned before her that the baby had not survived, Becker recalled in an email interview. “I was in shock, physically from the blood loss and mentally from the news,” she said.

    She briefly held her baby, she said, and wondered whether he could have survived if the hospital had done an emergency C-section. She also wondered why she received blood transfusions only hours after she had arrived in distress.

    The next morning, she said, she discovered that the hospital had left her baby on a table at the other end of the room for hours on end. She also learned that hospital staff had called the police.

    “Why the hospital staff called the police to take my baby away is still so troubling. That image of me lying in the hospital bed with my deceased son left on a table, seemingly abandoned, is an image I will never forget,” she said.

    Pro-life, eh?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    So it looks like the prosecutor went after Chelsea Becker on the charge of murder because she [based on the hospital's reported findings of meth in her system] was abusive to the feotus in her womb and was the causal agent in the stillbirth of the feotus. If the USSC chooses to dump the R-V-W judgement in the bin, then it'll be providing another weapon to people in electable legal office to use against girls and women without any visible religious credo or belief being behind the prosecution decision. The fact that two months went by without any direct legal action against Chelsea after the stillbirth loss may tend to indicate the action was legally questionable to anyone reading the papers before her arrest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,950 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    A well written takedown of the lie that Susan B. Anthony, pioneer for women's equality in the US, was anti-abortion, or in fact interested in the subject much at all. https://archive.ph/Mcehc

    That of course doesn't stop the lying forced birth types from coopting her name into their vile "Susan B. Anthony" list. But, as always with forced birthers, they're economical with the truth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    More than 200 women travelled from the Republic of Ireland to access abortion services in Britain last year, according to new figures from UK health services.

    Some 206 women gave addresses in the Republic when seeking abortions in England and Wales in 2021, a very small increase compared to 194 women who travelled from the Republic for abortions in 2020 when Covid-19 travel restrictions were in place.


    The new figures from Britain show in about half of the cases women were travelling from the Republic for abortions where there was a foetal abnormality, which previously had accounted for a third of cases in 2020. There was an 18 per cent drop in the number of abortions carried out up to 24 weeks of pregnancy.


    Commenting on the figures, Niall Behan, chief executive of the Irish Family Planning Association, said the number of Irish women travelling to Britain for abortions showed the law permitting abortions in the Republic was “not good enough”.

    Mr Behan said legislation introduced in 2018 was “denying care to women and girls and forcing them to seek abortion services in the UK”, which he said was an “unacceptable injustice”.

    One of the main issues was a mandatory three-day waiting period for women seeking to access abortion care, he said. “We know from our services that the law is also forcing some who present at under 12 weeks of pregnancy to travel outside of Ireland for abortion services,” he said.

    Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly late last year announced a review of the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018, which sets out the provision of abortion services.

    Mr Behan said the law had “serious flaws” and “restrictive” provisions, which was forcing pregnant women to access abortions outside of the State.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    They don't seem to have learned from what happened here.




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Doctors at the Rosie Hospital in Cambridge said her life was in danger if she carried on with the pregnancy.

    In her tweet, she said: "Abortion saves lives. But I've come to the conclusion that actually, people know this.

    "You know the astonishing complexity of pregnancy, you know people get coerced, you know people are simply too poor to cope, you know all the myriad reasons someone might need safe access to abortion. The sickening thing is, you just don't care."

    She said the message coming from the US was "both expected and deeply, deeply wrong".


    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,950 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Editorial from a recent NY Times on how 'rich women won't be impacted by the repeal of Roe is a myth.' Ectopic pregnancies are an obvious reason - hours matter, you can't just hop in a private plane and some states won't let you travel anyway. But, there's way more to it than just that one example.





  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Did you know that the bible prescribes abortion as the solution to a woman's marital infidelity?

    Neither did I.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV

    "... may the Lord cause you to become a curse [...] when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell.  May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries." [...] If she has [...] been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: when she is made to drink the water [...] her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse [...]



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    At an evangelical victory party in front of the Supreme Court to celebrate the downfall of Roe v. Wade last week, a prominent Capitol Hill religious leader was caught on a hot mic making a bombshell claim: that she prays with sitting justices inside the high court. “We’re the only people who do that,” Peggy Nienaber said.

    This disclosure was a serious matter on its own terms, but it also suggested a major conflict of interest. Nienaber’s ministry’s umbrella organization, Liberty Counsel, frequently brings lawsuits before the Supreme Court. In fact, the conservative majority in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, which ended nearly 50 years of federal abortion rights, cited an amicus brief authored by Liberty Counsel in its ruling.

    This court has zero credibility.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato



    Ireland’s abortion legislation is “inhumane” and “discriminatory” in its treatment of women with crisis pregnancies, the United Nations human rights committee has heard.

    ...

    Hélène Tigroudja, a member of the body, said the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy Act) 2018 placed “very many barriers, both legal and practical” to “safe, legal and non-discriminatory access to abortion”.

    Referring to the mandatory three-day wait period for women between asking for a medical abortion and accessing the medication, Ms Tigroudja said this was “a disadvantage for women living in rural areas, women in poverty and women experiencing violence [who] simply cannot return several times”.

    The rule that women with a diagnosis of a fatal foetal anomaly could access abortion only where there was certainty that the foetus would die within 28 days of birth meant that many women who could not travel had to carry such pregnancies to term.

    “This is a problem for women who are less well off. They have to continue with their pregnancy ... This is inhuman treatment and this is discrimination on the grounds of economic status,” she said.

    Life ain't always empty.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fairly nauseating and completely hypocritical piece of triumphalism from the Iona "Institute"'s Maria Steen in last Saturday's IT, no need to repeat such here as I'm sure you could all basically write it yourself at this stage. However some good letters in today's IT:

    A chara, – Maria Steen writes that both Roe v Wade in 1973, which found there was a right to privacy in the US constitution that included the right to an abortion, and Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health, which overturned that decision last month, were the result of politicised courts (Opinion & Analysis, July 9th).

    However, the composition of the court five decades apart suggests this was not the case with Roe.

    Roe v Wade was decided by a majority of seven to two. The opinion was written by Harry Blackmun, who had been appointed to the court in 1970 by Richard Nixon and drew on his experience as counsel for the Mayo Clinic. Of the seven who signed the decision, five (Blackmun himself, chief justice Warren Burger, William Brennan, Potter Stewart, and Lewis Powell) had been appointed by Republican presidents, while two (William O Douglas and Thurgood Marshall) had been appointed by Democratic presidents.

    Of the two dissenters, Byron White and William Rehnquist had been appointed by Democratic and Republican presidents respectively.

    In the years since Roe, and particularly since Planned Parenthood v Casey (1992), in which recent Republican-appointed judges accepted the “central holding” of a right to an abortion, the Republican Party organised to ensure orthodoxy in its judicial appointments.

    This was explicit in Donald Trump’s pledge before the 2016 election that he would appoint judges to overturn Roe v Wade. The five judges who overturned Roe had been appointed by Republican presidents, with three appointed by President Trump, in fulfilment of his pre-election pledge; the chief justice, who upheld the Mississippi abortion ban on narrower grounds, had been appointed by President George W Bush. The three writing in dissent had all been appointed by Democratic presidents.

    The politicised nature of the US supreme court is not limited to abortion.

    Whether it be guns, money in politics, access to voting, religion in schools, or environmental regulation, it has become all too easy to predict the outcome of their major cases based solely on the party which appointed six of the judges.

    This is the politicisation of law and the constitution that US liberals are rightly concerned about. – Is mise,

    WILLIAM QUILL,

    Dublin 8.


    Sir, – Maria Steen observes in her opinion piece, with apparent approval, that the US supreme court’s conservative majority, in Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization, “voted to return ... power to the representatives of the people” and “take abortion out of the constitution and return it to the legislators”.

    Could this be the same Maria Steen who was a vigorous and consistent supporter of the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, the primary objective of which was to take the issue out of the hands of Irish legislators? – Yours, etc,

    SEAN RYAN,

    Galway.

    Zing!

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Taoiseach Micheál Martin has told the Dáil that a review of abortion legislation in the State will be completed by the end of this year.

    Four years on from the landmark referendum repealing the Eighth Amendment, Mr Martin said: "These are complex issues at the best of times, however, the law of the land should apply, and should be adhered to, particularly through the HSE."

    He was commenting following the publication of a report today which found the needs of women seeking abortion services for severe fatal foetal anomalies were not being met.

    Mr Martin described some of the findings in the report as "disturbing" and said the analysis by Dr Catherine Conlon, Assistant Professor of Social Studies at Trinity College Dublin, would feed into this review of the legislation.

    I'd been under the impression this review was supposed to have been completed by 3 years after the commencement of legislation i.e. Jan 2022, it barely started by then and it looks like it'll be four years after the legislation commenced before the Dail even starts to consider what changes are needed.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,950 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Particularly through the HSE.

    The HSE, the implementation arm of the RCC for their forced birth agenda. Getting RCC out of medical decisions is crucial, pencil-necked church boys like MM beholden to it are a big problem. We need an election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Half of maternity hospitals still refusing to provide services they are legally obliged to, how and why is this tolerated?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Since the start of last year, Representative Larry Pittman (R-NC), has been proposing a fun new "pro-life" amendment to NC's constitution which demands that abortion providers should be executed by vigilantes. The poorly-worded bill is unlikely to see become law for a multitude of reasons.

    https://www.thefocus.news/culture/north-carolina-abortion-death-penalty/

    Proposed amendment:

    https://legiscan.com/NC/text/H158/id/2311264

    "It is a matter of indisputable scientific fact that a distinct and separate human life begins at the moment of fertilization. As such, that new human life is recognized by the State as an individual person, entitled to the protection of the laws of this State from the moment of fertilization until the moment of natural death. Any person who willfully seeks to destroy the life of another person, by any means, at any stage of life, or succeeds in doing so, shall be held accountable for attempted murder or for first degree murder, respectively. Any person has the right to defend his or her own life or the life of another person, even by the use of deadly force if necessary, from willful destruction by another person. The State has an interest and a duty to defend innocent persons from willful destruction of their lives and to punish those who take the lives of persons, born or unborn, who have not committed any crime punishable by death."



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The FF backwoodsmen make Micheal Martin look like some sort of radical liberal.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,539 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    It looks like an extension of the notion to punish anyone involved in abortion at State, not Federal, level to target specifically pregnant persons for thinking about maybe having an abortion while pregnant, including inquiring about how to access such services. If Larry includes those people in his definition of "Attempted Murder" He might not understand that should a pregnant person be charged and fall liable to punishment under the content of his bill, he too would be liable under the same bill if anything happened them as a result while they were pregnant.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    He might not understand that should a pregnant person be charged and fall liable to punishment under the content of his bill, he too would be liable under the same bill if anything happened them as a result while they were pregnant.

    Can't remember if anybody posted it here, but a few weeks back, a pregnant lady driving alone in some "two or more people" car lane in Texas was stopped by a cop and excused herself by pointing out that in Texas, her foetus now counted as a second human being and therefore, the cop was wrong to stop her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Hasn't the Government already said that the review won't be looking at changes to the law or at least the main policy points?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,867 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's a review going on about the (poor) implementation of the law, but when that goes before the Dail committee they can recommend legislative changes which the government can then ignore in time-honoured fashion.

    Life ain't always empty.



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