Intel versus farmer. Rte1 now

the_syco · 06-07-2019 7:10pm

Sheep breeder wrote: »

What about the land in the top right hand side of the picture, is that not available and closer to intel.

There's a river there, and they can't build too close to the river. I'm thinking it'd Where it says "Rye Water" is where the River Rye is located. I'm pretty sure they've built as close to the river as they can.

gar32 · 06-07-2019 8:48pm

Intel plan years in advance. Intel Ireland have to bid for a new factory from the head quarters. Israel & the USA having the other fab's are the competitors. If they want his land it is for something they think may happen in many years from now. Building a new factory in the next few years and have Read's land on stand-by for the next extension. Intel has more money then it know's what to do with. I believe they just want the land for a bid 10 or even 20 years from now. Depends on demand for chips and if Ireland can make them cheaper then else where.

They have people paid to think & plan well in advance. If he has no family who will get the land in the end?

I wish him luck in his chosen why of life.

cute geoge · 06-07-2019 9:03pm

They have people paid to think & plan well in advance. If he has no family who will get the land in the end?
With all the brains and wealth in Intel ,it is hard to believe that an ordinary Joe soap could thwart their plans!!!!

Jupiter Mulligan · 06-07-2019 9:07pm

cute geoge wrote: »

They have people paid to think & plan well in advance. If he has no family who will get the land in the end?
With all the brains and wealth in Intel ,it is hard to believe that an ordinary Joe soap could thwart their plans!!!!

Intel's planners are logical beings. Thus, they're wholly unfamiliar with the thought processes of the likes of Gollum who wishes only to squat in his dark cave playing with his "precious".

It's a clash of cultures.

gar32 · 06-07-2019 9:12pm

Plans are years off that's why they did not win. They don't need the land now to make Billion's but in 10 years time. If that day comes I am sure a CPO will be granted

Donald Trump · 06-07-2019 10:06pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Intel's planners are logical beings. Thus, they're wholly unfamiliar with the thought processes of the likes of Gollum who wishes only to squat in his dark cave playing with his "precious".

It's a clash of cultures.

Technically, what has Intel to do with "Gollum" besides being sited beside him? It was the IDA who tried to CPO his land. For vague reasons and they refused to even admit that it was so that it could be used by Intel in the future. That was a large part of the reason why the IDA lost.

BTW the IDA paid 7.5 million Euro for 18 acres of land in Leixlip last year. Why didn't they CPO that? I'd hazard a guess again that it was because it was owned by developers/speculators that they knew they could not bully easily. I reckon they thought they could bully Reid. "Gollum" was more than a match for them.

Clash of cultures me hole. It's the man's property. Property rights are protected by constitution and it is very important that they are. If they were not protected here, then there would be no Intel and no investment into the country. Simple as that. Countries without strong property rights protection do not get investment.

Jupiter Mulligan · 07-07-2019 2:49pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Technically, what has Intel to do with "Gollum" besides being sited beside him? It was the IDA who tried to CPO his land. For vague reasons and they refused to even admit that it was so that it could be used by Intel in the future. That was a large part of the reason why the IDA lost.

BTW the IDA paid 7.5 million Euro for 18 acres of land in Leixlip last year. Why didn't they CPO that? I'd hazard a guess again that it was because it was owned by developers/speculators that they knew they could not bully easily. I reckon they thought they could bully Reid. "Gollum" was more than a match for them.

Clash of cultures me hole. It's the man's property. Property rights are protected by constitution and it is very important that they are. If they were not protected here, then there would be no Intel and no investment into the country. Simple as that. Countries without strong property rights protection do not get investment.

Sorry Donnie lad. I didn't realise that you hadn't kept up with this evolving thread.

If you read the recent posts carefully, you may be able dimly to discern that we've finished discussing Gollum's heroic Supreme Court victory over Intel regarding the IDA's CPO of his private farm and have moved on to discuss his latest objection to Intel's planing application.

In future, please remove your popgun from its holster before pulling the trigger!

Donald Trump · 07-07-2019 2:55pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Sorry Donnie lad. I didn't realise that you hadn't kept up with this evolving thread.

If you read the recent posts carefully, you may be able dimly to discern that we've finished discussing Gollum's heroic Supreme Court victory over Intel regarding the IDA's CPO of his private farm and have moved on to discuss his latest objection to Intel's planing application.

In future, please remove your popgun from its holster before pulling the trigger!

No point trying to move the goalposts now :pac:

Below is what you responded to

cute geoge wrote: »

They have people paid to think & plan well in advance. If he has no family who will get the land in the end?
With all the brains and wealth in Intel ,it is hard to believe that an ordinary Joe soap could thwart their plans!!!!

No point trying to make excuses because you feel a little silly now for having (what should have been) the obvious pointed out to you

sportsfan90 · 07-07-2019 2:57pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Sorry Donnie lad. I didn't realise that you hadn't kept up with this evolving thread.

If you read the recent posts carefully, you may be able dimly to discern that we've finished discussing Gollum's heroic Supreme Court victory over Intel regarding the IDA's CPO of his private farm and have moved on to discuss his latest objection to Intel's planing application.

In future, please remove your popgun from its holster before pulling the trigger!

Pathetic. Does it make you feel big being so bloody disrespectful?

Donald Trump · 07-07-2019 3:01pm

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Pathetic. Does it make you feel big being so bloody disrespectful?

He's just jealous of "Gollum's" very valuable property. I wouldn't mind being called "Gollum" if I had Mr. Reid's wealth. Especially by someone whose most valuable asset is probably the keyboard he rides into battle with

Dinzee Conlee · 07-07-2019 3:21pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

He's just jealous of "Gollum's" very valuable property. I wouldn't mind being called "Gollum" if I had Mr. Reid's wealth. Especially by someone whose most valuable asset is probably the keyboard he rides into battle with

But is it not the case that Mr Reid doesn’t have wealth - he has land which is theory could make him wealthy but he has chosen not to?
So to be as wealthy as him - would be to be choosing to eek out a living?
Is that not what this is all about?

Donald Trump · 07-07-2019 3:24pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

But is it not the case that Mr Reid doesn’t have wealth - he has land which is theory could make him wealthy but he has chosen not to?
So to be as wealthy as him - would be to be choosing to eek out a living?
Is that not what this is all about?

He has wealth of course. It's just not in cash (we assume....but he could also have a million quid in the Bank. Who is to know).

Dinzee Conlee · 07-07-2019 4:07pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

He has wealth of course. It's just not in cash (we assume....but he could also have a million quid in the Bank. Who is to know).

He has wealth the way every farmer has wealth - he has land, which unless sold isn’t great at generating money...

Fair play to him for standing up to the CPO process / IDA, but wishing to be him, as he is ‘wealthy’ is taking it a bit too far for me...

Donald Trump · 07-07-2019 5:02pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

He has wealth the way every farmer has wealth - he has land, which unless sold isn’t great at generating money...

Fair play to him for standing up to the CPO process / IDA, but wishing to be him, as he is ‘wealthy’ is taking it a bit too far for me...

I don't wish to be him. I was just saying that if I was him and had his property, it wouldn't bother me if some smartarse randomer (not you, the other fella) off the internet was calling me "Gollum".

the_syco · 07-07-2019 11:49pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

BTW the IDA paid 7.5 million Euro for 18 acres of land in Leixlip last year. Why didn't they CPO that? I'd hazard a guess again that it was because it was owned by developers/speculators that they knew they could not bully easily. I reckon they thought they could bully Reid. "Gollum" was more than a match for them.

Any idea where the land they bought was? Also, it seems they CPO what they can't buy.

Donald Trump · 08-07-2019 12:31am

the_syco wrote: »

Any idea where the land they bought was? Also, it seems they CPO what they can't buy.

I have no idea. I just remembered seeing the article.

Some people earlier in the thread were saying Reid got offered 200k an acre and should have taken it.

It's besides the point as it appears he would not sell for any money, but if he had wanted to sell, why should he take 200k an acre when they pay someone else 400k? And I'd say that you could not get closer to the Intel site than Reid's place.

Bullocks · 08-07-2019 8:25am

I watched the end of this last night. I have to say I admire him for saying no. It might be a case that could lend help to any one of us down the line. We've been CPO'D twice and another small bit that we don't know what will happen to yet. Being honest we were glad of the money and it didn't come near the house so just dealt as best we could for ourselves.
I don't think it's fair to call this chap names or berate his farm for being neglected. I get the feeling that he probably feels like P Nally did when his privacy was being invaded only from a different source. He is probably under a lot of stress from it all and plastic wraps or tidying the house isn't top priority.
It's easy say take the 10 million and buy any farm he likes but has anyone here actually done that?
I know one lad that got over 30m in the boom he bought a good farm alright and lost the bulk of the rest in BOI shares and he was a careful lad.
I know of another that sold 2m worth of land and owes over 4m today with the help of financial advisers.
There is a lot to be said for farming the home place nice and handy without ever having these situations in your life. I bet he is as happy now eating bananas, listening to the radio as he would be sipping sangria, looking at a pool and listening to lads trying to get hold of his 10 million

the_syco · 10-07-2019 9:34am

Donald Trump wrote: »

I have no idea. I just remembered seeing the article.

I noticed building happening in the bit in the red area below, with fencing around it with white sheeting on the fencing (so people can't see what's happening?).

The question mark area also has fencing with white sheeting on it blocking off, but didn't see any machinery in there doing anything. So I'm wondering are Intel taking the section over? I hope so. They'll probably leave the house alone, after they do it up a bit to make it look presentable, like the house opposite the Lidl carpark.

Base price · 12-06-2022 9:45pm

For those that are interested about this case. I came across this earlier this morning -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40892408.html?fbclid=IwAR0zGiQKSLLt02TZsJ2aMfHHe1E5MiOjNtq1n6qYNxp0P04un2HtyJ8TclQ

kk.man · 13-06-2022 12:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119194051#Comment_119194051

I pity the poor lad...I know bout generations etc .. my family is here for 250 years plus I sell the whole lot for 250 acres plus in morning ... Ive no connection to Intel.

Pussyhands · 13-06-2022 7:48am

There needs to be country wide discussion on what is actually the public good.

What's the obsession with jobs jobs jobs at the cost of everything else.

Our only strategy for jobs is to rim the multi nationals. Go to any council about looking for supports for a new business and they don't want to know you unless you have high export potential.

In 10 years time I think it's unlikely all of these big employers will still exist at the scale they do today.

Grueller · 13-06-2022 9:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119194699#Comment_119194699

Absolutely PH. Small indigenous industry needs to be cultivated. As soon as these MNCs see a more favourable location (tax jurisdiction) it will become very difficult to keep them.

MakersMark · 13-06-2022 9:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119195067#Comment_119195067

Intel have approx 20 billion invested here.

They won't be moving or closing their factories here.

Software companies can move easily enough, but not semiconductor manufacturers.

Pussyhands · 13-06-2022 9:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119195089#Comment_119195089

That's a very naive view. There's no chance of them moving in the next few years but if it makes financial sense to move, they will do it.

MakersMark · 13-06-2022 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119195250#Comment_119195250

It's not naive at all.

Intel ireland makes up approx 50% of entire worldwide production.

They're not going anywhere (unless they go bankrupt).

To build what they have here anywhere else will cost 20 billion plus.

End of discussion.

vincenzolorenzo · 13-06-2022 3:05pm

There's been talk of Intel leaving for better tax jurisdictions for at least 20 years and all they've done since is expand. They're going nowhere

893bet · 13-06-2022 4:18pm

Any move out of Ireland would be given 10 years notice. The effort to build a new fab facility is enormous. It’s not something that could be hidden.

paul321123 · 13-06-2022 4:41pm

There was an article a few weeks back (news report) that Intel have accuired land in America where it will be possible for them to build 10+fabs, saying that it does take a long time to build these fabs but looks like they already have plans to consolidate all there latest technology on one site, this takes years to do but maybe it is the start of taking most of their manufacturing back to the US, anyone else see this or here about this, can not remember were I came across this.

13-06-2022 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119197520#Comment_119197520

Intel, or Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company? The latter are set to move at least some production from Taiwan for the US due to Chinese threats.

Base price · 13-06-2022 6:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119197520#Comment_119197520

Intel are investing $20 billion in a new chip manufacturing site in Ohio with President Biden championing "Made in America" - https://time.com/6140476/intel-building-factory-ohio/

They have also announced last year they were investing another $20 billion in 2 FAB plants in Arizona - https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/intel-is-spending-20-billion-to-build-two-new-chip-plants-in-arizona.html

Intel versus farmer. Rte1 now

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